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DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j5ccqk7 wrote

Reply to comment by PostPostMinimalist in If the property tax keeps rising the same way it did last year, is it time to leave JC? by moonlitway

Until we fund public schools differently than based on property taxes, the schools will be massively underfunded compared to the rest of the state. The state was supplying Jersey City with money to make up the difference. That flow is over. I would rather tax the fuck out of every single condo owner, luxury building developer, etc. etc. than underfund our schools

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bodhipooh t1_j5eeheh wrote

You are confused. We don’t have a funding problem. We are currently spending just shy of a BILLION dollars to teach 30K students, or about 33K dollars per pupil. That’s the highest in the State, among the highest (if not outright highest) in the nation. So, definitely not a funding proble, but rather a spending problem.

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DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j5fdsuy wrote

You are a mix of both wrong and confused. While there's obviously tons of waste shipped off to every consultant in the books, that's not limited to JC or even NJ. It's obviously bullshit that places waste so much money, but again, that's a feature of everywhere and not limited to education spending, either.

Now as to where you're flat out wrong. All school spending here in NJ goes basically by size of district. Newark is #1 at $1,118,199,359.9. JC is 2, Union City 3, etc. When you have a large district, you have large spending.

Now on a per student basis, here's where JC falls on the lists of education spending. 168th. $27,225 per student. In fairness, we should eliminate the 8 special services ones, which bumps JC up to 160. Even your guess of "about 33k" would put it at 44th in the state (36th without the services ones).

Data here: https://www.nj.gov/education/guide/2022/

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bodhipooh t1_j5fvvox wrote

Dude, you are using data that is terribly outdated. Those figures are from FY2021. Not sure if you are purposefully ignoring what has transpired since then, or if you are simply clueless about the dramatic budget increase approved by our BOE last year. When faced with state cuts and a necessary increase in the school levy, they quite literally decided to simultaneously increase the total budget by over 15%. Our current per pupil spending is just shy of 33K. That’s not a guess. That’s a fact.

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DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j5g5wlk wrote

Those are the newest figures as released by the state that google showed to me, as the post was made in 2022. You're WELCOME to post actual data from FY22 from the state that contradicts it. Go for it.

I even addressed the issue that if your statement of $33k per was real, it doesn't mean a fucking thing.

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>about 33K dollars per pupil. That’s the highest in the State, among the highest (if not outright highest) in the nation.

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>Even your guess of "about 33k" would put it at 44th in the state (36th without the services ones).

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bodhipooh t1_j5gv634 wrote

>Those are the newest figures as released by the state that google showed to me, as the post was made in 2022. You're WELCOME to post actual data from FY22 from the state that contradicts it. Go for it.

You have just proved that you are intellectually dishonest if you think that data about our local BOE can only be considered if made available through a state website. The JC BOE budget is public knowledge. That you can't wrap your mind (or accept the fact) that the budget is just shy of 1 BILLION DOLLARS (973 MM to be precise, something that is public knowledge and widely reported all over) and that we only have ~30,000 students is a you problem. Those figures are fact.

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DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j5ibjy9 wrote

Hoss, I've said this three times now, it doesn't mean a fucking thing that it's $33k/per. That puts JC as 36th/44th in the state, depending on whether or not you include special districts.

Your entire premise (JeRsEy CiTy PaYs MoRe ThAn AnYwHeRe ElSe) is bullshit.

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