Leanster2000 t1_j2yrirj wrote
Reply to comment by lavidadida in Mubasher Saleem 2014 McNair Alum, 29 year old anesthisiology resident, from DTJC, died last week. Many of his fellow residents and classmates tried to revive him by fartuni4
Do you actually expect people to believe with a straight face that the covid vaccines are a failure? While effectiveness against transmission declined after 6 months, effectiveness against hospitalization and death remained high, especially when boosted. By conservative counts the vaccines have saved on the order of 2-3 million American lives, but who cares, right?
PrincipleOfMoments t1_j2yz9hh wrote
The "legitimate scientists" and the "legitimate government officuals" and the "legitimate media" all told us the vaccine prevented infection and transmission, and then insisted that every person owed their fellow citizens a duty to get vaccinated to stop the spread.
18 months later, these same "legitimate" sources acknowledged that the vaccine manufacturers never included the prevention of infection/transmission in any of their studies so there was zero data to support any of those claims.
But, yes, do keep telling us about how ignorant, foolish and/or conspiratorial anyone who questions what they are told by any source, including your multiple, unsupported opinions above, must be.
Leanster2000 t1_j2zas0z wrote
Ah, the intricate dance of the cherry picker. CDC never initially claimed transmission data because it is impossible to know before the vaccine is released - this is done in surveillance mode. And indeed, for the first 6 month or so, before the delta variant it did indeed prevent transmission. Concrete data in Israel, as case count dropped to 30 per day (same pop as NJ) despite only 60% of the residents getting the vaccine. This is when the vaccine greatly prevented cases + transmissions (the 90% number) communications were out. Then the delta variant and further variants came, eroding case and transmission effectiveness, but hospitalization and death prevention remained high. But all of this will slide off you like water, and you can go back to your ignorant, foolish and conspiratorial ways.
PrincipleOfMoments t1_j2zyxqf wrote
That is a wonderful-looking response, full of plenty of statistics that we'll just assume are accurate because you wrote them.
It is not at all, however, a response to the point I made, which was that while all of the sources you would deem to be legitimate told us that we needed to take the vaccine because it would stop transmission, they knew that ZERO studies had been done about preventing transmission.
After the big pharma companies expressly admitted that a few months ago, your hallowed sources changed their narratives in a manner that would make Orwell proud and started acting as if they'd focused solely on reducing severity/death from the beginning.
Even ignorant, conspiratorial fools have memories of the mantras about our duty to others that were incessantly repeated throughout 2021.
I know it sucks when you can't intimidate or embarrass the great unwashed into accepting your smugly superior take on things, so I'll just slip back into the primordial ooze from whence I came and leave you be.
Leanster2000 t1_j303ly9 wrote
The statistics are freely available. Google it. BTW your memory sucks. They could not and did not promise transmission before the vaccine was in distribution. They could hope and assume, based on the % of cases prevented, that is was very likely transmission would be prevented, but they couldn't guarantee until it was distributed widely. In Feb 2021 Fauci called it "the looming question". By May 2021 the case collapse in Israel was so dramatic, effectiveness against transmission was proven for that original variant. And then of course the variants came.
lavidadida t1_j30mnab wrote
Everyone should have known the variants were coming, because of the exact point I made above about the speed of mutations in coronaviruses.
And anyone paying attention knows public health authorities either didn't know what they were doing, lied, or both. You can keep covering for them, enjoy it.
Leanster2000 t1_j31p0ty wrote
Nobody, including yourself, knew 1) what the speed of mutation would be 2) the impact of the mutations. There were no major mutations for quite a while, and the eventual mutations were able to evade infection but not protection against severe disease and death. No one could have guaranteed that the protection against death would remain, but it has and as a consequence we have saved millions of American lives. Sorry if this angers you.
Mindless-Budget9019 t1_j2yvcty wrote
Yes! The vaccine saved many at the cost of a few hundred or thousand young people. Well worth the cost! As Spock would say: “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.”
Leanster2000 t1_j2z9hm5 wrote
Literally zero evidence for that statement, so Spock would say "he's (brain) dead Jim".
Mindless-Budget9019 t1_j2zago8 wrote
Spock never said that so like much of the diatribe you’re spouting… Fake news!!! There is an increased risk of myocarditis after taking the MRNA vaccine. This is a verifiable fact!
Leanster2000 t1_j2zddpi wrote
Even in the highest risk cohort it is orders of magnitude less than covid itself, that is a verifiable fact! Even if you get vaccine induced myocarditis, it is 10x less lethal than natural disease induced myocarditis, that is is a verifiable fact! Or do you think you can live in a world when you will never get covid? I guess if you get on the Enterprise with Spock...
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