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Elecrockcity t1_jacvuar wrote

Reply to comment by hanner__ in A renewed push to legalize ‘medical aid in dying’ by d5dq

You’re giving the state too much power. The left has become the party of the state and it’s absolutely disgusting.

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3720-To-One t1_jad15lb wrote

This is actually giving individuals more power.

Why do you hate freedom?

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Elecrockcity t1_jad1m7b wrote

Permitting the state to assist in the destruction of life rather than the sustainment of it is giving power to the individual? How do you figure? I thought that we were trying to do everything in our power to save grandma from the scary Covid bug - now, grandma can kill herself at her own delusional whim just so the state can save some money on Medicare? That’s awfully kind of you to support on behalf of the state.

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3720-To-One t1_jad28k0 wrote

Conservatives really struggle with the concept of consent, don’t you?

And the state wouldn’t be killing anyone.

The state would be allowing people to have agency over their own bodies.

Again, if you don’t want a euthanasia, don’t get one.

But I don’t know who you think you are that you get to force grandpa to suffer a horribly slow and agonizing death over the course of several weeks, when they’d rather just die quickly and peacefully.

But if you’re a masochist, nobody is going to take away your right to suffer.

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Elecrockcity t1_jad34l8 wrote

Do you see how your argument relies on personal attack for effect? The name calling, the straw man, the appeals to emotion?

Look at you, defending the state again like a good little statist. You’re being used. And then you’re pointing at me and crying, “blasphemer! Don’t question the state - they’re granting me agency!”

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Elecrockcity t1_jad7gx0 wrote

Do you think that me calling you a statist is a personal attack?

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Elecrockcity t1_jad7xxb wrote

You mean like when you called me a masochist that supports grandpa’s suffering a tormented death?

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Elecrockcity t1_jad8l9a wrote

I didn’t argue against that point because it’s absurd. And you are correct, that was not you - my mistake.

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Elecrockcity t1_jada3m0 wrote

Statist is not an insult any more than conservative is.

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Elecrockcity t1_jadiags wrote

Are you implying that you know better than I my intent in using a word? I think that’s pretty absurd. If I wanted to use a pejorative, I would find one better than statist. I am simply making an observation, not an insult. You are defending state actions and assigning them moral superiority based only on the fact that the state decreed them. That is - definitionally - statism. You are an agent of the state and treat the state as an authority with moral superiority.

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hanner__ t1_jad9ftu wrote

What? I’m not even “the left” lol. I’m just all about people having the freedom to make choices about their medical care. Kevorkian had the right idea.

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Elecrockcity t1_jada96d wrote

So tell me - do you support medical mandates?

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hanner__ t1_jadage6 wrote

I support whatever seems like it would be beneficial. So it depends on the mandate.

You realize that assisted suicide is not a medical mandate though, right?

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Elecrockcity t1_jadazxc wrote

I do but you said you are “all about people having the freedom to make choices about their medical care.” I was just wondering how consistent you are in that approach. Does it extend to the public health sphere or just for euthanasia?

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hanner__ t1_jadb76b wrote

What mandate did the state put out that affected anyone receiving the health care they wanted?

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hanner__ t1_jaeoiy0 wrote

Not really. Show me one person who was held down and forced to get the vaccine.

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