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Boston1_ t1_j7ijaj2 wrote

It’s not really open land. Its a superfund site and former Air Force trailer park that would be used. Not like they’re tearing down a forest to build this.

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PabloX68 t1_j7ih1bc wrote

You don't seem to be very familiar with the communities of Lincoln, Bedford, Lexington, and Concord. Those are exactly the rich people who would benefit, with the Netjets subscriptions, etc.

Hanscom has a poor record on water because of the Air Force, not the private air side.

I say expand because Logan sucks. What about the environmental impact of all the traffic stopped on 93 trying to get in there?

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walterbernardjr t1_j7ivznf wrote

It would be incredibly convenient if there was some commercial traffic out of Hanscom

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hound29 t1_j7ixbsi wrote

I don’t get how more don’t get this. A few flights a day to major business hubs on nice regional aircraft is a win for all

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somegridplayer t1_j7kdp8d wrote

Which stuff like this will make it incredibly attractive to more operators.

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Boston1_ t1_j7l01fc wrote

These Concord NIMBY’s have been fighting for years but the feds keep siding with the airport. Shuttle America in the late 90’s early 2000’s was awesome. I flew out of Hanscom with my family on vacation back then…

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BillWeld t1_j7kq5ks wrote

I’m torn. It would be awesome to be able to avoid Logan but we live under one of the approaches to Hanscom. We get a lot traffic descending through 3000 feet, which I kind of enjoy actually, but big jets, maybe not. It would certainly change the character of neighborhoods near the ends of the runways. Otoh, the base used to be so active that neighbors had to clean soot off their houses. That was when most military traffic was prop driven.

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walterbernardjr t1_j7kqqe7 wrote

Fair point on the increased traffic. Of note I saw a Delta livery at Hanscom on Sunday, thought it was out of place, but I suspect it was for maintenance or something.

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Boston1_ t1_j7l0bun wrote

All the sports teams fly in and out of Hanscom on Chartered Commercial Aircraft. Not uncommon to see Delta, JetBlue Jets.

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[deleted] OP t1_j7izc6w wrote

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AccuracyVsPrecision t1_j7jhsik wrote

You don't need hangers at all for commercial jets but you do need the runway upgrades. It would be great to have these in so more flights could happen

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PabloX68 t1_j7kbpk1 wrote

If it's private jets, they're small and won't amount to much traffic. So what's the issue?

Of course, you should actually read the OP

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DPC128 t1_j7iik76 wrote

This is great! There isn’t much over there in that part of the airport, and they definitely need more hangars.

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somegridplayer t1_j7kdyqe wrote

>increase potential for water contamination (for which Hanscom has a poor record)

So /u/Eniminimynimoe, why don't you explain how this is going to happen?

>and pose an extra burden on environmental justice communities.

Because they do so much now other than write posts like this and block traffic?

>The benefits go mainly to private companies and wealthy individuals, not the surrounding communities of Lincoln, Bedford, Lexington, and Concord.

Uh, aren't those where the wealthy individuals live? And spend their money? Any pay taxes? Looks like it has great benefits.

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mshelikoff t1_j7k5753 wrote

The heritage of New England systemic racial and class injustice dictates that communities near Logan Airport must be the ones who suffer from the environmental impacts of air traffic because the poor minorities who are more likely to live there are less likely to use air transport than the residents of Lincoln, Bedford, Lexington, and Concord.

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[deleted] OP t1_j7imw7t wrote

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PabloX68 t1_j7kbhvg wrote

Everyone who lives in those towns moved in knowing there's an Air Force base there. They used to have regular air shows and I toured a C17 there about 20 years ago.

If you moved in and didn't do your research, don't expect sympathy.

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Boston1_ t1_j7l0r6m wrote

Thank you, there’s been a “landing strip” there since the 30’s and a base since the 40’s…

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BostonUrbEx t1_j7klgba wrote

Move Logan to Hanscom, extend the Red Line there, revert the current Logan to half housing and half salt-marsh, and convert the Ted Williams/Silver Line to rail.

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Boston1_ t1_j7l5m1u wrote

Actually could be done. Hanscom had its own rail spur off the Bedford>Boston train line that’s now the minuteman bikeway.

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Cheap_Coffee t1_j7kp8e6 wrote

You forgot to mention starting construction on the Boston-Provincetown tunnel.

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Cheap_Coffee t1_j7kpm4l wrote

>environmental justice communities.

What, pray tell, is an "environmental justice community."

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charons-voyage t1_j7ia9po wrote

Wow I had no idea HAFB and Hanscom air field were different. I always assumed that whole area serviced military planes. Interesting. Well hopefully this doesn’t get built.

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CLS4L t1_j7l8o74 wrote

What about Devans is already polluted

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erikthepink t1_j7hyd32 wrote

This is bad news!

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AccuracyVsPrecision t1_j7jhvvw wrote

How is it bad news to develop a little more travel infrastructure? Do you enjoy going to logan sitting in traffic or driving around Chelsea because the tunnel is closed?

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Cheap_Coffee t1_j7kqyex wrote

Breathing exhaust fumes while stuck in traffic in the tunnel is actually healthy, dontchaknow?

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OscarOrr t1_j7hzn8j wrote

Where do I sign up to resist

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AccuracyVsPrecision t1_j7jhxbi wrote

Resist all change... boomer

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OscarOrr t1_j7kmrv2 wrote

When I moved to Concord aviation movements out of Hanscom were few and far between and mostly small private prop planes. Now I have planes over my house at about 1500 feet at alll times of the day a couple of weeks ago a Delta charter 757 took off at 2:45 AM. that’s the issue

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Cheap_Coffee t1_j7kqs26 wrote

I lived in Lexington for 20 years. There were small private jets and the occasional airliner coming in and out regularly. Traffic actually decreased over the time I lived there.

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p53lifraumeni t1_j7kedfs wrote

Exactly what we need. Private jet traffic and pollution in a national heritage site.

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Cheap_Coffee t1_j7kpbrj wrote

I didn't read anything in the ENF that indicated more jet traffic. Can you point it out to me?

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p53lifraumeni t1_j7kq2jh wrote

How do you think 27 hangars-worth of planes will get there? Tow trucks on route 2?

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p53lifraumeni t1_j7klok8 wrote

Absolutely. I just remember my parents house was near a small airport with a ton of private jet traffic in a different state. It was absolute trash living in a place like that.

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Cheap_Coffee t1_j7kpfy7 wrote

Did they know the airport was there before they bought the place?

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p53lifraumeni t1_j7kq9ix wrote

Airport was there, but barely used. About 10 years ago they enlarged it, built hangars, and allowed it to be used by private jet operators.

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