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Icy-Neck-2422 t1_j8hulk2 wrote

More color on the story

>Boston 25 News has obtained Novaes’ death certificate, which reveals the Medical Examiner’s finding that Novaes’ death was accidental, caused by positional asphyxia.
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>Under the heading describing how the injured occurred, the medical examiner wrote, “Fell into recycling bin and became wedged.”
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>The death certificate finds “chronic ethanolism” (alcoholism) as a significant condition which contributed to Novaes’ death, but not an underlying cause.
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>As part of the investigation, a police officer, roughly the same height and weight as Novaes, fell into the bin, while reaching into it, and then had difficulty getting himself self out of the container, according the source.

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Hoosac_Love OP t1_j8hwxb3 wrote

I get that I read that. But how does one fall into a recycling bin,the wieght of the fall most likely cause the bin to be knocked over opening the top hatch leaving oxygene to enter the bin.Not the same as a drunk person falling into a bath tub and drowning and garbage/recycling can would fall if a person fell in or jumped in leaving the can open.

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Hoosac_Love OP t1_j8hzp2p wrote

If to much weight was thrown into a bin at once wouldn't it fall over opening the top hatch

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kbmurphy217 t1_j8i0ts6 wrote

I don’t think so- live in the area and they are big sturdy bins. I’ve tossed stuff into( piles of heavy books) from a second story window and they barely shuddered

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Icy-Neck-2422 t1_j8i0wgd wrote

It's kind of like the picture on the side of the Home Depot buckets with the baby going ass over teakettle into a bucket. If there's enough mass in there already it's going to be a bad situation.

This is an unfortunate situation for sure.

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Clamgravy t1_j8ic9ao wrote

Love the keyboard detectives work here. It's all a big conspiracy!

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Hoosac_Love OP t1_j8icn4r wrote

Lol 😆 Still have never heard of someone falling into a curbside receptical

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kdall7 t1_j8jg96s wrote

Someone has been watching too much true crime

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Hoosac_Love OP t1_j8jgvvh wrote

Indeed I have ,I'm watching true crime as post right now ,I am actually

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kdall7 t1_j8k2spw wrote

I think it’s reasonable to be skeptical of somewhat suspicious deaths, but I do think this one makes sense logically. These types of accidents do happen, and people don’t asphyxiate due to lack of oxygen in the container, but due to lack of oxygen intake ability (bent windpipe, compressed diaphragm, etc). This can especially happen if the person goes unconscious from lack of oxygen or initial impact of falling. There was a case awhile ago that I remember where someone in a school parking lot was trying to put a seat down or up in their car, crawled over the seat and ended up like bent in a way they couldn’t correct, and ended up getting stuck underneath and died due to asphyxia. I’ll link it if I can find it

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MOGicantbewitty t1_j8jqflu wrote

Ever heard of dumpster diving? It’s a real thing to climb into dumpsters to find thing to keep.

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Hoosac_Love OP t1_j8jrmk7 wrote

But do people fall in and die quite often ??

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MOGicantbewitty t1_j8jwepv wrote

Often enough that there is clearly no conspiracy here

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1135696

Add in the fact that she was drunk, yeah. No secret murder here. Plenty of real ones, no need to create one

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MOGicantbewitty t1_j8jxp5o wrote

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/body-woman-who-vanished-while-dumpster-diving-found-landfill-n1135696

Often enough that there is clearly no conspiracy here

Add in the fact that she was drunk, yeah. No secret murder here. Plenty of real ones, no need to create one

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MOGicantbewitty t1_j8jzl0i wrote

My statement still stands. There are plenty of real murders. No need to create one when experts better at this than you have determined, based on an autopsy report you don’t have access to, on site evaluations you don’t have access to, that there was no murder. She was drunk, found in a place were other people have been accidentally killed before (recycling compactors have killed plenty of people, there’s a reason wait staff & and retail workers are told to NEVER climb in), and the cause of death is a common issue, especially for drunk people crammed into tight spaces. All of this makes sense.

If you think it’s sloppy work, prove it. Cite evidence. Don’t stir up bullshit because YOU think it’s exciting, or you know better, based on completely unsubstantiated imagined claims. Think about how the family would feel. This is shitty behavior on your part.

Good bye

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SpyCats t1_j8jr29m wrote

There was mention in the Globe about cops being called to her home multiple times, including suicide threats.

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Hoosac_Love OP t1_j8jrt6t wrote

I'd try the Tobin bridge not the recycling bin if I was inclined to suicide.

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Linux-Is-Best t1_j8k25g7 wrote

Clickbait title is clickbait title.

If you are going to report news, you don't put your opinion as the title.

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Hoosac_Love OP t1_j8iwzh2 wrote

I don't deny it's all possible,a freak accident can happen and have happened but for me homicide is the %play !!

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Hoosac_Love OP t1_j8irbjw wrote

Also if someone was looking through a receptacle for lost papers then the top would be off and could not close if you fell in make asphyxia difficult.

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longhairAway t1_j8iwdlm wrote

I wouldn’t venture a guess myself about the falling inside part, but positional asphyxia wouldn’t require the lid to be on. The “positional” part of that term refers to suffocating because something is constricting your breathing. Maybe her chest or diaphragm was compressed, or her neck in some way, and she wasn’t able to free herself. That can result in death even if fresh air is flowing.

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frankybling t1_j8iwbtd wrote

“positional asphyxiation” (I googled it) happens when your neck is bent in such a way that constricts or completely blocks your air flow… (totally paraphrasing)

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