Submitted by Hoosac_Love t3_124jttn in massachusetts
Clamgravy t1_jdzz8b2 wrote
Reply to comment by mattgm1995 in Teenagers arrested in now famous State Police rifle theft! by Hoosac_Love
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Coerced_onto_reddit t1_je01kay wrote
I’m not pro or anti gun - I definitely think there needs to be more effective regulation - but one thing that I see often is a dismissal of a comment like this guy’s. Something like “people writing the legislation obviously don’t know anything about guns!”
If some time is taken to gain education about the weapons and their characteristics, it would probably make it easier to draft more specific (and hopefully effective) legislation. It would also take away the “you don’t know anything about guns!” Defense used by a lot of pro gun people/groups whenever this conversation inevitably rears its ugly head again
TzarKazm t1_je02adk wrote
Yea I have had thus conversation more than once with my MIL. "They should ban assault weapons. " "ok, what does that mean?" "You know, the assault ones."
I don't own any guns so I don't have any skin in the game, but it's tough to have a productive discussion when one person has no idea what they even want.
mattgm1995 t1_je03mp8 wrote
They don’t! My point is they ban “assault weapons” but you can still buy a SCAR in MA, you can still by an AR15 in MA, you can still get large capacity mags as long as they were made before 1994 in MA. It’s not dismissive, im saying lawmakers legitimately do not understand. The laws do literally nothing!
DarthT15 t1_je0uqvx wrote
>The laws do literally nothing!
Laws are nothing but opinions with the backing of jackbooted thugs
mattgm1995 t1_je03utr wrote
You can mock me and downvote me if you want, but hear me out. They don’t! My point we already have an “assault weapons ban” in MA, but you can still buy a SCAR in MA, you can still by an AR15 in MA, you can still get large capacity mags as long as they were made before 1994 in MA (they’re only $40) It’s not a dismissive comment, im saying lawmakers legitimately do not understand. The laws do literally nothing!
jp_jellyroll t1_je0d60n wrote
>The laws do literally nothing!
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The gun laws aren't perfect. We get that. But there is a direct correlation between gun laws, gun ownership, and death by guns. If there are more guns available, if it's easier to get those guns, then there are more people dying by those guns.
MA has some of the strictest gun laws in the country and also one of the lowest rates of gun deaths in the country.
It's just like smoking laws. If you make cigs cheap, easy to get, no ID, allow smoking everywhere... then more people will smoke and subsequently die from lung cancer. Even people who don't smoke will die. If you ban cigs, tax them, ban indoor smoking, etc, then fewer people will smoke and, thus, fewer people will die from lung cancer.
mattgm1995 t1_je0ezag wrote
I didn’t say throw them out! Lol taking words completely out of context. All I’m saying is it would do the public and our legislators a good service to better educate themselves.
Also counterpoint: NH has almost no gun laws and the lowest rate of gun crime in the nation. Correlation ≠ causation
brufleth t1_je0u9xf wrote
> NH has almost no gun laws
That's rich coming from someone saying we all need to be better educated on guns. NH has many many gun laws.
mattgm1995 t1_je0y4ei wrote
Relative to MA? Which the discussion is focused on? Very few
willis936 t1_je1u734 wrote
Name em. I have friends in NH with multiple AR15 platforms with high capacity magazines and silencers.
Constitutional carry, no permits, castle doctrine, state preemption of municipal restrictions. NH gun laws are primarily protections rather than restrictions.
jp_jellyroll t1_jdzzqnz wrote
*wipes with bare hand*
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