Submitted by funferalia t3_yex46q in massachusetts
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Banea-Vaedr t1_iu0gcvu wrote
Counterpoint: it has also resulted in RealID
thomastodon01027 t1_iu0kkxy wrote
Do you think RealID would not have happened in MA if it hadn't been for this law?
Banea-Vaedr t1_iu0kpys wrote
It's a federal response to the degradation of states' ability to ensure the people on IDs are residents/citizens, which is how they used to be distributed.
thomastodon01027 t1_iu0lwmc wrote
Ok, but other states were doing this before this. I was aware that I was going to have to get a RealID before I was at all confident that this law would pass.
heklakatla t1_iu0wmt5 wrote
You don't need a RealID. A US passport is a legal document to fly domestically or enter federal buildings after the deadline.
Banea-Vaedr t1_iu0m20p wrote
CA and NY were giving IDs to illegal aliens, which was noticed by DHS and kicked off the RealID shenanigans
PakkyT t1_iu0r8wj wrote
REAL ID was pushed onto states to make them do the job of the US Government and take on the expense of providing Federal Government compliant IDs for the Feds with the threat if they didn't the Feds would withhold funds from states for things like roads and bridges. Massachusetts delayed it for a long time because they rightfully didn't think it should be the state's job to do the federal government's job for them, especially for free.
Banea-Vaedr t1_iu0sgxb wrote
Normal IDs were fed compliant until states began issuing them to people who were not eligible under federal law
PakkyT t1_iu12j5w wrote
Source for "states began issuing them to people who were not eligible under federal law"? Because I am pretty sure that didn't happen.
The REAL ID thing came out of the federal government and states not having minimum standard for identification right after 9/11 where they felt they needed to protect against fake ID that like most post 9/11 rules had nothing to do with 9/11. Then they forced the states to take on the actual work that really should have been a federal job for their standards. It was a knee jerk reaction to an event when they started looking at all kind of things they decided needed to be better regulated, but in the case of IDs there was not the problem you cites but instead simple a lot of different state IDs with a lot of different things on them that were designed to be used to allow people to drive cars, not as a federal ID.
funferalia OP t1_iu0o2f9 wrote
The Truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged. You see, the masses rarely get what they want because they live in a world where effort is minimal and pleasure is king.
When you can't attack the information directly, you attack the source, if that fails, you 'create false misleading information' to discredit knowing 'select' 'unaware' followers would not take the time to self-corroborate the claims.
thomastodon01027 t1_iu0og2p wrote
I just want to point out that the way you “questioned the truth” is to say “Watch all the #Karen ‘s get triggered below”. What is this apparently unassailable information that you’ve put out here?
JaKr8 t1_iu0vs57 wrote
You mean like all this stop the steal bullshit, none of which is based in any fact whatsoever. It's a shame that snowflake couldn't accept the fact he lost, and had to lie to his followers, and kill a bunch of people while doing it.
Those are facts...
funferalia OP t1_iu0gbdt wrote
Level up Karen 1.
Ignominious333 t1_iu0guq3 wrote
If you're bored I'm mommy's basement you can move out. Try to get some sun
funferalia OP t1_iu0gzcm wrote
It worked for Biden.
Ignominious333 t1_iu0hq9z wrote
I think your mom needs her phone back
funferalia OP t1_iu0htvy wrote
Jellyfish have survived 650 million years without a brain. It gives me hope for you.
Proof-Variation7005 t1_iu0j8gs wrote
is this fun for you? l
CraigInDaVille t1_iu10gz9 wrote
Is this that famous "facts and logic" stuff I hear basement-dwelling incels talk about all the time?
sardaukarma t1_iu1ihj6 wrote
here's a shitty useless comment for your shitty useless thread
funferalia OP t1_iu4iy5i wrote
Mediocrity is the embryo of failure. You can do better. Do you always settle for less?
somegridplayer t1_iu0rcwh wrote
Who hurt you
NightWalk77 t1_iu1ozgd wrote
I will be voting yes.
Do you even know what a karen is? You probably are one.
funferalia OP t1_iu4ikcc wrote
Get off the cross we need the wood.
highlander666666 t1_iu0hx9l wrote
I had tuff time deciding how vote on this one..Giving license to people who not suppose be hear ?? sure make roads safer if they bother get license ? why would they Just let that go now..All so won t it in courage more to come here?? It s A big money grab for the politicians in this state They looking at all the money it will bring in.There is not A tax fine or fee this state doesn t like..Keep dreaming up more ways to get Money out of us!!
barry_abides t1_iu1wkw1 wrote
Look at it this way - undocumented residents who need to drive to work, school, etc. will do so whether they can get licensed or not. If we enable them to get a license, at least some of them will choose the legal option, which will 1) ensure they can pass a driving test (demonstrating basic skills, knowledge of local driving laws, some level of confidence behind the wheel) and 2) enable them to get insurance so if they do get into an accident there will be coverage to protect them and others involved (if they were at fault). Not to mention basic human decency, to allow people who are already here and maybe have been for years to have a legal option to transport themselves and their kids. I don't care if the state makes a few bucks off the licensing fees, it's worth it for the other benefits.
funferalia OP t1_iu0if2m wrote
Never automatically accept the premise of the activist left's arguments. By doing so, you help them start the narrative.
highlander666666 t1_iu1wzoi wrote
They like giving there money to politicians? I still mad at them from few years back when gave there selfs 40% who get that much raise?? They very generious with our $$ take good care of there selfs while dream up more fines fees taxs to give us! wouldn t even give us A break on tax gas when told we have big surplus? just for month . Hell they hate giving us A 1 month tax free week end!!
thomastodon01027 t1_iu0eq63 wrote
Wow, what a brave and insightful post. I was planning to uphold a law that was passed with the support of both the ACLU and law enforcement, which in other states has resulted in safer roads, but maybe I need to reconsider my position in light of this analysis.