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thomastodon01027 t1_iu0eq63 wrote

Wow, what a brave and insightful post. I was planning to uphold a law that was passed with the support of both the ACLU and law enforcement, which in other states has resulted in safer roads, but maybe I need to reconsider my position in light of this analysis.

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Banea-Vaedr t1_iu0gcvu wrote

Counterpoint: it has also resulted in RealID

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thomastodon01027 t1_iu0kkxy wrote

Do you think RealID would not have happened in MA if it hadn't been for this law?

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Banea-Vaedr t1_iu0kpys wrote

It's a federal response to the degradation of states' ability to ensure the people on IDs are residents/citizens, which is how they used to be distributed.

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thomastodon01027 t1_iu0lwmc wrote

Ok, but other states were doing this before this. I was aware that I was going to have to get a RealID before I was at all confident that this law would pass.

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heklakatla t1_iu0wmt5 wrote

You don't need a RealID. A US passport is a legal document to fly domestically or enter federal buildings after the deadline.

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Banea-Vaedr t1_iu0m20p wrote

CA and NY were giving IDs to illegal aliens, which was noticed by DHS and kicked off the RealID shenanigans

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PakkyT t1_iu0r8wj wrote

REAL ID was pushed onto states to make them do the job of the US Government and take on the expense of providing Federal Government compliant IDs for the Feds with the threat if they didn't the Feds would withhold funds from states for things like roads and bridges. Massachusetts delayed it for a long time because they rightfully didn't think it should be the state's job to do the federal government's job for them, especially for free.

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Banea-Vaedr t1_iu0sgxb wrote

Normal IDs were fed compliant until states began issuing them to people who were not eligible under federal law

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PakkyT t1_iu12j5w wrote

Source for "states began issuing them to people who were not eligible under federal law"? Because I am pretty sure that didn't happen.

The REAL ID thing came out of the federal government and states not having minimum standard for identification right after 9/11 where they felt they needed to protect against fake ID that like most post 9/11 rules had nothing to do with 9/11. Then they forced the states to take on the actual work that really should have been a federal job for their standards. It was a knee jerk reaction to an event when they started looking at all kind of things they decided needed to be better regulated, but in the case of IDs there was not the problem you cites but instead simple a lot of different state IDs with a lot of different things on them that were designed to be used to allow people to drive cars, not as a federal ID.

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funferalia OP t1_iu0o2f9 wrote

The Truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged. You see, the masses rarely get what they want because they live in a world where effort is minimal and pleasure is king.

When you can't attack the information directly, you attack the source, if that fails, you 'create false misleading information' to discredit knowing 'select' 'unaware' followers would not take the time to self-corroborate the claims.

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thomastodon01027 t1_iu0og2p wrote

I just want to point out that the way you “questioned the truth” is to say “Watch all the #Karen ‘s get triggered below”. What is this apparently unassailable information that you’ve put out here?

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JaKr8 t1_iu0vs57 wrote

You mean like all this stop the steal bullshit, none of which is based in any fact whatsoever. It's a shame that snowflake couldn't accept the fact he lost, and had to lie to his followers, and kill a bunch of people while doing it.

Those are facts...

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