[deleted] t1_iuiiq15 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 4:19 PM

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thedecentshepherd t1_iuimhu6 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 4:44 PM

While they should opt out of registering to vote, the RMV and other automatic registration methods then submit the application to the relevant local election official. The election official then has the duty to certify citizenship and their right to vote.

If they do not have the right, then they are not added to the list and usually are told so

Edit: further clarification

Wise-Craft2113 t1_iuin48p wrote on October 31, 2022 at 4:48 PM

Interesting information. Thank you. Do the local authorities actually do that or do they just add them to the voter roles?

petepont t1_iuipd74 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:03 PM

Yes, the local election official follows the procedure to check whether they're eligible to vote, since that's literally their job

thedecentshepherd t1_iuippov wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:06 PM

And further there is a yearly training in Mass about how to go about it

petepont t1_iuipzuq wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:07 PM

That user is over here JAQing off

thedecentshepherd t1_iuiqrm4 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:13 PM

I'd suggest them to read through Mass General Laws c.51

www.mass.gov/lists/Mass-general-laws-c51

Wise-Craft2113 t1_iuirgjr wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:17 PM

Does it document a process? Send me an exact link to the process please if you know how it works.

This is a legitimate question. Downvote all you want.

Please note i never said i was opposed to the issuance of these licenses for undocumented applicants.

thedecentshepherd t1_iuitb5b wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:29 PM

You could contact the Secretary of States office, they may be able to answer these questions.

I could only find the duty of the roles of the registrar and what they're to do. It did not include how they go about it. Unfortunately only have time to skim lol

petepont t1_iuity9x wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:34 PM

It actually does, in section 42H

>Registrars of voters in cities and towns shall receive completed affidavits of voter registration from registration agencies, from individuals and organizations conducting voter registration, through the United States mail, through the online portal and by hand delivery. Upon receipt of each completed affidavit, the registrars shall certify the receipt thereof and shall notify the registrant of the disposition of the affidavit. Said registrars shall add the registrant's name, address and effective date of registration to the annual register of voters in accordance with section forty-six, effective at the time set forth in section forty-two G; provided, however, that the state secretary may, by regulation adopted pursuant to section forty-seven C, provide that electronic transmission alone of the information contained in the affidavit of registration shall be sufficient for such purpose. The registrars may correct information supplied by the registrant to the extent necessary to maintain the integrity of their records. If an affidavit is incomplete or if it appears from the facts set forth in the affidavit that the registrant is not qualified to register as a voter, the registrars shall proceed in accordance with the provisions of section forty-seven. If an affidavit is dated by the registration agency or postmarked during the period when registration to qualify as a voter in a particular election is prohibited by section twenty-six, the registrant's name shall be added to the annual register for all subsequent elections and the registrars shall so notify such registrant. All records of voter registration held by registration agencies shall be available for inspection and copying by the registrars of the registrant's city or town or by summons in a legal proceeding.

But of course, that won't satisfy this person, who has now changed the goalposts to demand a precise list of steps that the Registrars need to complete, instead of admitting that the question has been answered: these applicants for licenses cannot in fact register to vote, and there is a clear process that prevents this.

thedecentshepherd t1_iuiutfv wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:39 PM

And then it goes into further detail in Section 49

https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleVIII/Chapter51/Section49

petepont t1_iuiw7v5 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:48 PM

And also Section 36, and some other national laws/regulations referenced there which describe the precise manner in which someone may prove themselves a citizen.

But this person wants us to provide something that says "Step 1: Go to citizensearch.gov Step 2: Type in the name Step 3:....", which is stupid

Wise-Craft2113 t1_iuiumsa wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:38 PM

You know that is complete BS. Don't turn this into a personal attack

SHOW ME THE PROCESS THEY USE TO VERIFY THE CITIZENSHIP.

thedecentshepherd t1_iuiv9o2 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:42 PM

Section 49, I am sure each locality has its own way of going about it. There are 351 municipalities. Each with their own election office.

Wise-Craft2113 t1_iuivs4w wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:46 PM

Thank you. I will call my town and ask as i'm curious.

Wise-Craft2113 t1_iuivmbh wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:45 PM

Yes. I'll do that. thank you for a reasonable answer. There must be a process. Signing an affidavit can't be enough.. or perhaps it is? I don't know but would like to know.

thedecentshepherd t1_iuiwaxq wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:49 PM

Well there is a $10,000 fine along with illegally registering.

The voter registration form also gives a lot of information.

Wise-Craft2113 t1_iuiwn5n wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:51 PM

Thank you.

petepont t1_iuisww5 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:27 PM

Your question has been answered, and that link includes the process and requirements. Go ahead and read through it

Wise-Craft2113 t1_iuir6om wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:15 PM

So do they ask the applicant to come and present documentation? What is the process. That's all i'm asking.

Wise-Craft2113 t1_iuihr78 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 4:13 PM

So your saying they have to prove citizenship if they tick the box on the form. You know this for a fact?

"the registrar of motor vehicles may not ask about or create a record of the citizenship"

thedecentshepherd t1_iuiqyl0 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:14 PM

It's not the RMVs job, it is the local election officials job.

PakkyT t1_iuisb2g wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:23 PM

To get a Real ID you need to prove you are a citizen. Therefore immigrants who get a license will only get a standard license which will clearly state it isn't a federal ID. As such there will be no "voter registration" going on with that person by the RMV.

In addition, most people here undocumented are not going to try and register to vote because "non-citizen who submits a voter registration application may be subject to deportation proceedings." and why would they go out of their way to make themselves a focus of immigration officials?

Wise-Craft2113 t1_iuiw4z5 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 5:48 PM

Understood but they will also issue "regular" licenses and it's this process i'm asking about in terms of voter registration (VR). Now perhaps they won't give that VR option unless you are applying for a Real ID, which would be fine of course and even logical.

PakkyT t1_iuj1uxy wrote on October 31, 2022 at 6:26 PM

They won't give you the option if you are not getting a real ID because "if your citizenship has not been confirmed by the RMV, MassHealth, or the Health Connector, you will not be registered to vote." And if you are not providing the documents to the RMV for a Read ID license then they can not have confirmed your citizenship and therefore they are not going to register you to vote.

Wise-Craft2113 t1_iuji2l9 wrote on October 31, 2022 at 8:14 PM

Ah an answer! Thank you! It's interesting that it says in the bill / petition: