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Dreadedtrash t1_itvzl2d wrote

I don't understand why wearing a leather jacket or having leather seats in your car is fine, but fur isn't. It is literally the same thing, just the leather has the hair scraped off of it.

ETA: I know I'm about to be downvoted for this.

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Theseus-Paradox t1_itw289y wrote

I think leather is ok because the other parts of the cow are used in other processes, where as fur is typically harvested and the carcass is throw out, not being utilized in any way.

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cassandracurse t1_itxiui3 wrote

Yes, the beef industry drives the leather industry. If no one ate meat, then leather would be much less available and very expensive.

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asoneth t1_itzb7d1 wrote

Not just leather, but eating meat as well. It seems logically inconsistent to me that someone who kills animals for food would object to killing similarly intelligent animals for clothing.

Both largely come from factory farms, both have non-animal alternatives that are almost as good, both result in a lot of unused animal carcass.

If anything, a fur coat made from two dozen foxes that lasts ten years results in substantially less animal death than a meat diet over that same timeframe.

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GWS2004 t1_itw4266 wrote

I wish we had the choice for fake leather in all cars. I've had it once, it was great!

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SouthShoreSerenade t1_itw4l2c wrote

>It is literally the same thing,

Sure, if you ignore the dozens of factors that make them extremely different things.

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Cheap_Coffee t1_itwfc2s wrote

Please enlighten us.

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SouthShoreSerenade t1_itwg78f wrote

I'm absolutely not explaining the difference between killing animals for food and using other parts for other purposes, and the mass extermination of various species specifically for their furs. I'm not doing it. This website is stupid, but nothing is that stupid. People need to stop making stupid comparisons.

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Suspicious-Abies-653 t1_itwk1yk wrote

Please name one species that suffered a “mass extermination” over fur trade? Just one.

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SouthShoreSerenade t1_itwl9vq wrote

I'm not Google. Look up the historical fur trade. Look up fur farms. Look up the impact of non-native invasive species propped up by the fur trade.

Of all the things you could cry about here, the problem of mass killing animals shouldn't be one of them (even those who love meat like myself ought to be able to easily recognize that as a problem).

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Cheap_Coffee t1_itwlvic wrote

"I know I made an assertion in a comment but I feel no obligation to prove it. If you can't do my homework for me then you're stupid."

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SouthShoreSerenade t1_itwmiv9 wrote

What do you want from me? Honestly? What do you want me to say and do? If you're just being a jerkwad antagonist go ahead. Can I help you somehow?

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Suspicious-Abies-653 t1_itwnnji wrote

I want one species.

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SouthShoreSerenade t1_itwwpsc wrote

No. It is your responsibility to read the article on which we are commenting.

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Suspicious-Abies-653 t1_itx6017 wrote

I don’t recall the article mentioning “mass extinction”. I do recall you mentioning it.

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Suspicious-Abies-653 t1_itxmp5j wrote

Reread it twice. Still can’t find a mention of mass extinctions.

Your assertion. Back it up.

If you can’t, just walk away. I was wrong once too. It’s way easier.

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Cheap_Coffee t1_itwnpe6 wrote

Okay, we'll start all over again.

"Sure, if you ignore the dozens of factors that make them extremely different things."

Please enlighten us.

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SouthShoreSerenade t1_itwx0kg wrote

And again, if you don't see a difference between animals which are raised for meat (food being a basic human necessity) and whose entire carcasses are able to be used, vs. the animals which are only raised to be skinned and then the rest of the carcasses tossed, you don't deserve my time. So screw off.

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asoneth t1_itz9v0v wrote

Agreed that food and clothing are basic human necessities.

But in modern society, food and clothing made from animals are not necessary. Animals are used for reasons of convenience, cost, and pleasure.

I believe that the primary difference is not logical but just that killing animals for food is still culturally accepted and killing animals for clothing is less so.

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PakkyT t1_itzjaix wrote

>What do you want from me? Honestly? What do you want me to say and do?

I think they want you to back what you say. But like most, you love to spout off with something that doesn't make sense and then when asked to back what you are saying, you quickly backtrack with look it up yourself, anyone can find this info, do your homework, or some other excuse to not admit you made up a "fact".

You said "the dozens of factors that make them extremely different things." so it would seem simple for you to provide one or two of those "dozens of factors" right off the top of your head, but when asked you suddenly act like you are being attacked for being asked to simply back up your claims.

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