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MechanicalBirbs t1_iymwv19 wrote

Reply to comment by WinsingtonIII in Local hunters call for repeal of Massachusetts ban in Sunday hunting by HRJafael

They have literally have the entire year to do that. Hunters have two weeks. Most hunters can only hunt on the weekends, since you know, having a job and such. This an insanely classist policy and the only reason it still exists is because “hunting bad”.

Not to mention that hunter’s licensing actually goes back into the parks and WMA’s, so they are actually paying for the upkeep, while hikers do nothing of the sort.

Fuck this bs law. Let people do their hobby.

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Seaworthiness222 t1_iyn0j79 wrote

Is this only for 2 Sundays?

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WinsingtonIII t1_iynfa0u wrote

No, they are being very misleading in their argument. They are probably just talking about deer season, which is only a couple weeks.

But there are many other seasons for different animals. When you add them all up there are months that are impacted by hunting, not just the two weeks for deer. Most of fall and winter have some sort of hunting season open.

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Seaworthiness222 t1_iyngdy9 wrote

Deer season isn't only a couple weeks. It goes from Oct 4 to Dec 31. Then Jan 1st - crow and rabbit. And bobcat and coyote. Then Turkey and bobcat. Basically the only time that there isn't is the summer.

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WinsingtonIII t1_iynh1v7 wrote

I guess I misread it, or maybe I was just looking at shotgun season for deer.

Either way, that's my point. No idea why they are acting like it's only two weeks, hunting impacts people doing outdoor activities for a significant portion of the year.

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UniWheel t1_iyn1agz wrote

>Hunters have two weeks.

For some hunting types, yes. Hunting seasons for other animals are much longer, in cases even year round.

Allowing Sunday hunting during two Sunday of (shotgun deer season?) could perhaps be a workable compromise, if all other Sundays stayed safe for woodland recreation.

But there's already a communication problem with a lot of the non-hunting public not knowing when the seasons are, and allowing hunting on two Sundays of the year would only further complicate that.

Frankly it's the bird seasons that cause more hassle to many of us who recreate in the woods, because they start when its still warm enough out to be doing a lot of that.

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WinsingtonIII t1_iymz1py wrote

Hunters get every other day of the week. I don't see what the big deal is, especially since hiking as a hobby doesn't inconvenience the general population whereas hunting as a hobby can impact other people trying to do outdoor activities. Pick a hobby that doesn't involve shooting at things with a deadly weapon, which has the potential to endanger other people, if you want free reign to do it whenever and wherever. Obviously a hobby that involves a weapon that can harm other people is going to be regulated more than walking in the woods.

Also what are you even talking about regarding two weeks? Deer shotgun season is relatively short but there are many other seasons. Various bird seasons span much of October and November (which is prime hiking weather around here), bear is most of September and November, things like bobcat and coyote are open basically all winter. There are other things like hare and other animals I'm not listing here that happen in parts of fall, spring, and winter. So it's definitely not just two weeks per year that this impacts people. It's months of the year, summer is the only time that isn't really impacted by hunting.

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MechanicalBirbs t1_iymzkec wrote

You just don’t like hunting. That’s all. You aren’t arguing in good faith here and you ignored by point that most hunters can’t hunt in days they work.

You literally don’t care. Your entire logic is “if its bad for hunters, im for it”.

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WinsingtonIII t1_iyn04p7 wrote

I'm neutral on hunting as an activity, I don't care if people hunt. But it's disingenuous to act like hunting is the same as other outdoor activities like hiking or mountain biking in terms of the potential danger it can pose to other people. Obviously most hunters are very responsible, but there is always the potential for something to go wrong when a weapon is involved that can kill at range and the hobby occurs in the woods where it can be hard to tell what you are seeing due to trees and undergrowth.

A hobby like that is going to get regulated more strictly than hobbies that do not involve weapons that can kill people and animals at range, even if by accident. And it seems fair to give people one day per weekend to be able to walk in the woods without worrying about those accidents occurring. But I get you disagree and that's fine.

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vggzya13 t1_iypsneq wrote

How much do you pay per year for wildlands upkeep...

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Wildwoodywoodpecker t1_iyyu1uv wrote

More hikers die from hiking every year than hikers that die from hunting. People get run over by cars too.

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Seaworthiness222 t1_iyn15kn wrote

I was a hunter. I also had a friend who lost her elderly mom (in Massachusetts) when a hunter killed her while she was hanging out her laundry on her back porch. No punishment.

Dont be a fucking asshole who thinks it's the ONLY hobby.

I also like hiking. I like having a day where I can bring out my dogs in the woods in the yard without worrying if he gets shot by a hunter.

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MechanicalBirbs t1_iyn29ed wrote

You can put in an orange vest for TWO sundays. Ffs.

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Seaworthiness222 t1_iyn8lkm wrote

2 weeks? What are you talking about. Wait. Do you only hunt with a shotgun? Only deer?

There are like 8 months of hunting. You don't sound like you even hunt. WTF

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Workacct1999 t1_iynkrzm wrote

You are also not arguing in good faith. You say that the hunting season is only two weeks long, but many other posters here are saying that your statement is misleading.

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siwmasas t1_iyn5gx6 wrote

Exactly, there is no need to hunt here. Go buy a steak at market basket. Sport hunting should be outlawed here.

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MechanicalBirbs t1_iyn6uja wrote

Factory farmed meat is way more unethical than hunting.

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siwmasas t1_iyn7rej wrote

Absolutely, no argument from me there. But factory farms aren't going around the state shooting at whatever they deem shootable. That doesn't mean we should allow hunting for sport, nor does that mean I condone the treatment of animals in factory farms. Two wrongs don't make a right

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siwmasas t1_iyn54di wrote

If your 'hobby' is killing animals, fuck you, find a different way to spend your time. No, you don't need to kill a deer to survive the winter.

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MechanicalBirbs t1_iyn5eb5 wrote

Do you eat meat?

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siwmasas t1_iyn7489 wrote

I'm not against meat eating. Nor am I against hunting for survival. But there is nowhere in this state where you need to hunt to survive. I don't trust police with guns let alone some redneck twat with a gun. fuck that. If you get pleasure out of killing an animal you should be in a mental institute.

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BabyApeShit t1_iyp1ay4 wrote

Leave her alone! She eats meat full of hormones and genetically modified feed, killed humanely in a slaughter house! And guys, there is NOWHERE in this state where you need to hunt to survive. There is no one on welfare and food stamps in massachusetts!!!

Get your head outta your ass lady. As if screaming on Reddit shouldn’t warrant your institution. Crack pot.

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MechanicalBirbs t1_iyn7yww wrote

I will never ever stop hunting and you will never be able to prevent me from hunting.

Sunday hunting WILL be made legal. There is nothing you can do.

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