SouthShoreSerenade t1_iyqrya2 wrote on December 3, 2022 at 12:58 PM

Throw the book at her. Make an example out of clowns who take the law into their own hands.

You want to make teen mental health issues even worse than they already are? Turn our schools into actual prisons. The fact is when you have a building with 20 entrances, even if 19 of them are locked, you're putting 1500 underdeveloped brains in there and you can't expect them to be smart about safety. Doors get propped open all the time. Kids open doors to people when they shouldn't all the time. There's nothing at all that can be done about that short of imprisoning everyone inside.

SirCalebCrawdad t1_iyrbb4l wrote on December 3, 2022 at 3:45 PM

are you a slow adult?

it's not a matter of making schools a prison. it's a matter of simple security measures at the front fucking door. did you miss that? it didn't take that woman doing this stunt to make every one aware of the fact that the hired help is usually lazy and ill-informed about what their jobs actually are.

when was the last time you saw a capable human being with ample training and qualifications acting as school security? and im not talking cops because cops are just as bad if not worse for something like this. most cops that get assigned to do this type of job are essentially tree stumps (per usual). i'm just talking about the football coach/3rd period health teacher/school security "officer".

SouthShoreSerenade t1_iyrspdw wrote on December 3, 2022 at 5:42 PM

>are you a slow adult?

Are you?

>it's not a matter of making schools a prison. it's a matter of simple security measures at the front fucking door. did you miss that?

My point, which should have been obvious to anyone with a brain stem, is that typically even when the front door is locked, there are always vulnerabilities, and some clownshoes would be investigative reporter shouldn't be trying to sneak in to prove a point.

>when was the last time you saw a capable human being with ample training and qualifications acting as school security?

Uh, every day? When was the last time YOU were in a school, period? 7th grade?

warlocc_ t1_iz13o8n wrote on December 5, 2022 at 6:19 PM

I work in a building classified as a foreign trade zone. If any door is open for more than a few minutes, I get an alert. All doors automatically lock when closed, and have keycard entry. Any employee that needs to open a door has that permission on their ID badge. If they don't, I can manually open it from my desk, and even give them the permission myself. All exterior doors also have cameras on them.

Extremely effective without being overbearing or intrusive.

person749 t1_iyrjd4k wrote on December 3, 2022 at 4:39 PM

Lots of places have alarms that go off for propped doors and opened ones. Cameras can be used too. It's pretty easy to prevent in the grand scheme of things.

I agree that it sucks. I remember being aghast when my school added security cameras almost 20 years ago now, but looking back it really wasn't a big deal.

I think angsty teenagers have always thought of school like a prison anyways.

SouthShoreSerenade t1_iyrtnbm wrote on December 3, 2022 at 5:49 PM

>Lots of places have alarms that go off for propped doors and opened ones

Our doors can be propped open just so that the alarm doesn't go off (five index cards can do it).

There's security, and then there's security theater. A guy who sits in an office and watches people come through the door is theater. Cameras are real security, but they're also not proactive - they're reactive. So, let's say metal detectors - those are proactive, but they also force every individual who enters the space to be treated as a potential criminal. There's a line that needs to be drawn and my sense is that what people like Unlawful Trespass Barbie up here want is for us to cross that line in the name of safety. There are better solutions. And of course there are better experiments than "let's commit a crime to prove a point".