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Banea-Vaedr t1_j01x4hn wrote
>It shouldn't be this hard to fire a cop.
Counterpoint: it should be this hard to fire anybody
No_Tie3538 t1_j020tz6 wrote
Wtf???????
NoMoLerking t1_j02aud6 wrote
Basically impossible to fire a cop until they’ve been convicted.
ak47workaccnt OP t1_j02axe4 wrote
Counter-counterpoint: it shouldn't be this hard
No_Tie3538 t1_j02bzy9 wrote
Fuck that, no wonder there nickname is "PIG" WTF,???
Maronita2020 t1_j02eg8c wrote
He's pled guilty though!
RevengencerAlf t1_j02f33h wrote
ACAB. Every single last one of them.
The reason he still has his job is because "good cops" collaborate with bad to ensure nobody is adequatesly disciplined unless they step outside the gang.
Which of course means good cops aren't actually good. They're accomplices and collaborators.
NoMoLerking t1_j02f91o wrote
Was he convicted?
RevengencerAlf t1_j02fk1x wrote
As a collective they have worked hard over decades upon decades to protect themselves from any kind of accountability and every allegedly "good" cop is still a part of this problem.
If they work in a dept with these policies and don't actively campaign against t hem and run to upened their union's protection of corrupt cops, they are also corrupt cops.
Simon_Jester88 t1_j02fnnq wrote
Are you advocating...due process????
Banea-Vaedr t1_j02fq5q wrote
Crazy idea, isn't it? What's next, equal treatment under the law??
NoMoLerking t1_j02fuky wrote
I mean…okay?
I’m just saying that they really can’t talk about firing him until he’s convicted, and even after that it takes time. If he’s suspended without pay it’s functionally the same.
chevalier716 t1_j02gyib wrote
Fun fact: if you are accused of sexual assault in literally any other non-govt job, you'd probably be fired before it got to the "plead guilty" stage.
RevengencerAlf t1_j02hvzk wrote
And I am saying that the reason they can't is because it's a corrupt system full of exclusively corrupt people.
Police are better protected from losing their jobs than virtually any other profession in America.
NoMoLerking t1_j02immc wrote
Because they have a strong union and almost nobody else does.
TattooedPolitician t1_j02its4 wrote
He plead guilty. Pretty much means he admits the the allegations in the police report to be true.
NoMoLerking t1_j02iwua wrote
So once he’s sentenced they’ll start the process of firing him.
TattooedPolitician t1_j02j1dg wrote
They better. Shocked it’s taken this long.
baddspellar t1_j02kaij wrote
The dispatcher, the only woman there, later told investigators that Officer James Quilty stuck his hand down her pants and groped her. Then after the four other officers left, she said he trapped her in her car, undid her bra, kissed and fondled her, and forced her hand onto his pants over his crotch.
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But Middlesex County prosecutors say Natick police initially shrugged off the allegations. And even after the town completed a formal investigation, records show they didn’t initially seek criminal charges. Instead, they signed a deal with Quilty to keep him on the police force after a suspension. And Natick officials have fought for more than two years to keep almost all the records secret.
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Prosecutors said the Natick Police Department “chose to do nothing about the incident” until the town administrator hired a Springfield law firm that handles sexual harassment cases to investigate in July 2020. The department also put Quilty on leave. In October 2020, the town notified the Middlesex District Attorney’s office about allegations that Quilty violated the town’s sexual harassment policy.
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Court records also show Quilty's ex-wife accused him of rape. Middlesex prosecutors told the court they investigated the allegations and ultimately decided not to bring charges, but said that decision does not necessarily mean the allegation was false.
https://www.wbur.org/news/2022/10/30/natick-police-department-misconduct-sexual-assault-accusations
Quilty's then supervisor, who tried to hide and excuse the conduct, is now Chief of Police in nearby Ashland
RevengencerAlf t1_j02km02 wrote
Yes and every cop who supports that union is a collaborator and accomplice to criminal thugs.
The strength of their unions comes from the public support they get from people worshipping these criminals like they actually add value to society.
ak47workaccnt OP t1_j02krp1 wrote
It's always worse than you think
TheGrandExquisitor t1_j02pyg4 wrote
And even then, good luck.
ACAB REMEMBER UVALDE
TheGrandExquisitor t1_j02qlyv wrote
Ummmm.... Who else gets that level of protection?
It isn't most of us.
Don't lick boots. It isn't healthy.
BossCrabMeat t1_j0304e2 wrote
Thin blue line and thank the fucking union
BossCrabMeat t1_j030c1s wrote
Thin blue line and thank the fucking union
NoMoLerking t1_j034ozc wrote
You should take a long look in the mirror and ask why you react so harshly to someone that’s just answering a question factually.
The town really can’t even start the process of firing a cop until they’ve been convicted of a crime or found responsible of repeated misconduct. It’s just how it is. Should it be that way? I don’t know. What’s the alternative? Police hired and fired on the whim of whatever politician won the last election? What about firefighters? Same arrangement? Teachers?
TheGrandExquisitor t1_j0361vk wrote
No. It should not be that way. That is a no-brainer. We have cops literally murdering people in the streets. And when they are needed, like at Uvalde, they don't do shit. Very little accountability.
Also, teachers don't get near the slack cops do. Come on.
PakkyT t1_j03anr1 wrote
I doubt they have to wait until he is sentenced. Plea is entered, therefore he is guilty of a felony and is now a sex offender. The sentence in immaterial and the town should fire him immediately.
NoMoLerking t1_j03boeq wrote
So, I actually read the article. He’s been on unpaid leave and now that he’s been sentenced, the town is meeting to decide what to do.
I just hate the armchair knee jerk shit. None of us know what will get the town sued. They fire him in a way that’s not allowed by the CBA, they’ll get sued. You can be sure of that. He’s not on duty, he’s not being paid. He’ll be fired. Relax.
3720-To-One t1_j03frrv wrote
He got due process.
He’s now a registered sex offender.
He should lose his job as a cop.
Simon_Jester88 t1_j03golc wrote
Seems like he will after the select board reviews the case.
If he doesn't then I'll be upset.
3720-To-One t1_j03hffk wrote
He already got due process.
He pled guilty in a court of law.
Simon_Jester88 t1_j03hwi5 wrote
There seems to be a process in place where his case will be reviewed and acted upon. That' is what I mean by due process.
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No_Tie3538 t1_j03z0vz wrote
U tell me Dick Tracy, the head of the union just went to prison for molesting little girls for 30yrs 🙃
Chippopotanuse t1_j0443kc wrote
I was very confused reading this. I thought it happened last week.
Then I realized i was thinking of Wayland’s chief (the town next to Natick) who got shitcanned for sexually assaulting the women who worked for Wayland PD.
> December 5, 2022
> Wayland Police Chief Sean Gibbons will step down later this month after an independent review corroborated allegations that he violated the department’s sexual harassment policy, the town announced Monday.
> In 2003, Gibbons allegedly met a trainee at a Billerica bar, invited them to his home, gave them wine, and had sex with them.
> “I felt very confused. Looking at the power dynamic, yes, that is an assault, but at the same time, I just feel like I didn’t push him off me, I didn’t say no,” the trainee later told an investigator, according to the redacted report.
> While attending a conference in Springfield in 2010, Gibbons reportedly had drinks at a Hooters restaurant with another department member. Both were allegedly intoxicated when Gibbons drove them to their hotel, and Gibbons followed the person into their room and had sex with them.
tours37000 t1_j044ezb wrote
Sad. This is exactly the kind of thing that fosters vigilantism.
stackinpointers t1_j04dm92 wrote
Is that the case? I thought usually employers have their hands tied to an extent until they know whether or not the accused is guilty. Otherwise a wrongfully accused person can sue said employer.
In this case, I'd expect the guilty plea to lead directly to termination
chevalier716 t1_j04eg36 wrote
You can be fired without cause in Massachusetts
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_j04f0je wrote
Just another pig rapist.
Toss him in the pile with the rest.
ak47workaccnt OP t1_j04g09y wrote
He hasn't been fired, so he still has his job.
Positive-Material t1_j04gug7 wrote
It's not a crime if police officers do it on the job... it's just you know.. 'bad work'.. they have a special legal system where the police union contract makes it impossible to fire them and the prosecutors just refuse to do their job and give them immunity from criminal prosecution for what would be if same thing was done by anyone anywhere else.. grope someone on the Green line train? You get arrested and charged, kept in jail without bail. But as a cop, you can grope someone anywhere and it is not a crime.. maybe you get fired or maybe you get a paid holiday. It's a great job, and actually, no reason to do crime - just join the police force and it is much easier to steal and assault people and not get the usual punishment for it.
Positive-Material t1_j04h6n8 wrote
My theory is that the compromised people get promoted to leadership so the rest of the force has black mail on them in case they try to enforce something on them and that you have to be a 'made man' who has shown to follow the G-code and be in on doing crimes to be promoted to police leadership and supervision positions.. that is why they voted Patrick Rose to represent them in the union and provide legal and political protection. His thing was molesting teenagers, but I am guessing he would provide protection for cops whose thing was theft, sexual harassment, assault or whatever.
Positive-Material t1_j04h9lx wrote
Then they will black mail by refusing to do their paid job and not respond to crime calls.
Positive-Material t1_j04hfhv wrote
Blue line is an widespread organized criminal conspiracy. Replace that with Hells Angels or Bloods or Crips. The union just abuses the city work rights and legal system to prevent investigations and prosecutions of crimes done by LEO.
Positive-Material t1_j04hj8c wrote
It's the Weinstein trick - it's not r*pe if you lure them into a hotel room.
Positive-Material t1_j04hoj8 wrote
Sgt is a supervisor who supervises other cops.. so if someone has a complaint, the Sgt responds to figure it out.
Positive-Material t1_j04hs0c wrote
Usually, the prosecutor gives them immunity from any real punishment for pleading guilty, so it's really a get out of jail free card.
potus1001 t1_j04hzzx wrote
Due to the CBA, he can’t be fired until it is voted on. Same as if you or I had an employment contract.
ak47workaccnt OP t1_j04jemt wrote
So the title isn't misleading.
MOGicantbewitty t1_j04p0d7 wrote
Nope. You can be fired for having pending charges, wearing the wrong clothes, or having the wrong credit history
Initial-Ad-7654 t1_j04ruig wrote
caillouistheworst t1_j058ovd wrote
This should be under r/toomanybadapples
mini4x t1_j06jgh1 wrote
He was on paid suspension.
Oops, this one was unpaid, Ive read way too many of these stories.
mini4x t1_j06jscm wrote
If I groped a coworker at work I'd be fired on the spot.
Sir_Fluffernutting t1_j06zm94 wrote
One can hope
ak47workaccnt OP t1_j0ba2b7 wrote
>Quilty inappropriately touched the woman against her will. Quilty continued to touch her despite her attempts to move his hands away from her and to verbally tell him to stop.
ak47workaccnt OP t1_j01vkdd wrote
>Natick police Sgt. James Quilty pleaded guilty to three counts of indecent assault and battery
Should be fired.
>Quilty remains on unpaid administrative leave from the Natick Police Department. The Natick Select Board will meet as early as possible to fully review his employment status and make "an expeditious determination," according to Ryan and Hicks.
It shouldn't be this hard to fire a cop.