Submitted by Linux-Is-Best t3_10n5w7x in massachusetts
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Adorable_List3836 t1_j677ev8 wrote
When I saw the headline in the post that the baby had passed it really hit me hard, I couldn’t imagine the nightmare the father has gone through in the past few days and then the one speck of hope that he had is no longer there, I feel so bad for the father, I can’t imagine the pain that he is going through right now
therapeutic-distance t1_j68tqs6 wrote
There is a big difference between postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis.
Often high functioning people fall through the cracks. They can hide their symptoms well.
This woman should have been hospitalized at McLean's Hospital. Period.
Too much pressure from insurance companies for clients to be treated as outpatient, day programs, etc. Err on the side of safety, especially when children are involved. Insist on hospitalization till stable.
Of course, I don't know the people involved and am just speculating based on my experience from working in healthcare. Just my opinion.
Eta: Husband was working from home and left for 25 minutes to pick up takeout according to NYP (article and comments).
Catinthehat5879 t1_j6ahobr wrote
I don't disagree but McCleans is so hard to get into simply based on space. We need more facilities too.
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Linux-Is-Best OP t1_j6736tp wrote
Opinion:
Everything is awful. There is no perfect viewpoint.
I feel the system, and the people around the family, failed. If she was that bad, why was she not in a care facility? She clearly was not stable enough to be the acting parent (caregiver) of a child. Why did the husband trust his wife to leave her unattended? Where was "Child Family Services" in all this? I mean, damn, should these kids be unsupervised with her having full custody given how unwell she was?!
There is a fine line between experiencing a mental crisis and having the intention to do something. If she planned this in advance, that in my opinion would suggest some thought-out reasoning, as opposed to a moment of madness. That fine line unfortunately can be used as an excuse to get away with something you should not, just as easily as it could wrongfully blame someone who was "out of it." That unfortunately is the "snag" because where that line begins and ends is not always clear.
Ultimately, everyone failed those children. Everyone.
YourStonedNeighbor t1_j68358d wrote
“Opinion:
Everything is awful. There is no perfect viewpoint.
The end”
Fixed that for you
Adorable_List3836 t1_j675ree wrote
Who knows, you’re throwing out a lot of assumptions, maybe she wasn’t showing any kind of suspicious behavior before all of this unfolded. There are a lot of questions to be asked about this and there won’t be many answers, nobody knows what happened inside that house except for her, if she did suffer from PPD, she could have hid the symptoms until she snapped, you don’t know how this family lived their lives. The “system” and other family members shouldn’t be blamed for this until more information is available.
endofthered01674 t1_j676gud wrote
The ultimate answer is that nobody ever truly knows what is going on inside another person's head.
Adorable_List3836 t1_j678c2g wrote
Exactly, nobody knows, I find it odd that OP is pointing fingers without knowing the full story
LadyGreyIcedTea t1_j677hhd wrote
From what I've read, she was in an intensive outpatient program 5 days/week. Why she was in an IOP vs. inpatient has not been explained. It could have been anything from there were no beds anywhere to insurance said she didn't meet the criteria for inpatient.
As far as where was "Child Family Services," someone has to file a report of abuse or neglect for them to investigate and open a case. They aren't aware of every child in the state whose parent is seeking help for a mental health diagnosis. If she wasn't expressing that she was going to hurt her children in the program she was attending, there would have been nothing worthy of filing on. Plus there was a second parent who was home with the children most of the time as well. Reportedly he went out to pick up dinner on Tuesday night when this happened.
mullethunter111 t1_j68tpfp wrote
Many in outpatient start as inpatient. Outpatient is to continue the treatment they received inpatient.
LadyGreyIcedTea t1_j68xtaf wrote
True, that's what IOP is intended for- as a step-down from inpatient. But I've seen situations where people walk into IOPs off the street for whatever reason- no inpatient beds, insurance says they only qualify for IOP, they don't want to stay there 24/7, etc. We don't actually know the reason in this situation.
ExpertCunt t1_j6850hp wrote
What an awful take
Feisty-Donkey t1_j676up6 wrote
The answer is we have no idea what was going on with this family and won’t until the case goes to trial and we should avoid speculating on who is to blame until then.
theliontamer37 t1_j697w2o wrote
That fact that you’re even hinting at putting some blame on the husband makes you disgusting
h_to_tha_o_v t1_j68hupr wrote
The conversation about mental health surrounding this story would be so less frustrating if society applied it consistently.
Look at the tone around the stories of the black woman in Brockton and the homeless white woman who nearly killed her kid by abandonment. The media and society took a tone of condemnation. But this triple-murderer gets the kid gloves, and we all know why.
Reminds me of that Patrice O'Neal bit about Natalee Holloway.
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_Your_Highness_ t1_j676e62 wrote
I really, truly cannot fathom how anyone can speculate on so many variables and have the audacity to place blame, particularly on the husband. All of this will be answered in due time if/when this goes to trial. In the meantime, please stop. There are real people who are living through this unthinkable tragedy. I hope you're never in a position to have to live with such uninformed, vitriolic public opinion after a life altering event. Have some empathy.