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[deleted] t1_j5cd8ah wrote

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Linux-Is-Best OP t1_j5cewg9 wrote

> Are you the mod that decided against us discussing hate groups here, or was that a group-wide decision?

That was an administrative decision. Reddit in general is cracking down on hate. Having such content in our Subreddit would not be beneficial and would attract the wrong type of individuals and content.

I personally, support that policy. -- Why?

There was a time, not too long ago in our society, when hate groups were far & few. There was a time when such individuals were fearful of coming out into the light because society would shun them. It was not something people were openly proud of and coming out as a racist could mean risking losing your job, friends, family, etc...

Over the last few years, it's like society has been marching backward into the 1940 or 1950s. We have unfortunately "jerks" who seem all too eager and proud to display and promote their hateful and spiteful agendas. And hate seems only recruits more hate.

These types of hate groups depend on spreading their propaganda. To encourage others to wrongfully adopt their ideology. To make others feel confident, if not comfortable, in expressing their bigotry.

Our Subreddit will not aid and comfort bigotry or homophobia. We will not empower anyone who does.

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[deleted] t1_j5cfmmf wrote

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Linux-Is-Best OP t1_j5cgfjz wrote

You believe that calling attention to these people would be a good way to "target" them. -- Well, technically, that would be against Reddit rules (no DOXing) and in some ways would be illegal. We cannot promote people to go track down some jerk and deal with them.

The reality is, those types of posts and the individuals they attract only make it seem like a vocal minority is wrongfully a majority. They end up being the perfect staging grounds for the recruitment and empowerment of those groups.

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[deleted] t1_j5cgx28 wrote

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Linux-Is-Best OP t1_j5chq25 wrote

I am not going to debate it with you. This is not a debate.

I have told you the position of Reddit, wanting to crack down on hate, discrimination, and misinformation. And yes, my opinion happens to agree with that policy.

You can either respect it or leave or be banned for violating it. That's the benefit of free will. The choice is yours.

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No_Bowler9121 t1_j5emg49 wrote

To be fair though the more Reddit and sites like it have tried to clamp down the worst things have become. They shunned the people on the edge into their echo chambers.

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1diligentmfer t1_j5cf4kj wrote

They have to deal with new-account-monthly trolls that pick fights in every single comment they make, adding nothing to the community, so everyone suffers because of them.

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Linux-Is-Best OP t1_j5cfqqg wrote

> They have to deal with new-account-monthly trolls that pick fights in every single comment they make, adding nothing to the community, so everyone suffers because of them.

Reddit is getting better at detecting those people, and they're automatically removed now. In time, they will be less of a problem.

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[deleted] t1_j5cfyvg wrote

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warlocc_ t1_j5cj0kp wrote

To be honest, it does seem to be a fair point that making a big deal of these groups in the last few years has emboldened them.

Reverse psychology is a thing, after all.

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Linux-Is-Best OP t1_j5cjyz4 wrote

> To be honest, it does seem to be a fair point that making a big deal of these groups in the last few years has emboldened them. > > Reverse psychology is a thing, after all.

It has been sad to watch. I hope in time that they'll once again be shunned back into the shadows, to wither and fade back into irrelevance and obscurity.

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NativeMasshole t1_j5cw9yi wrote

It's exactly what they want. It gives the hate groups free publicity. People on this sub were literally sharing their propaganda for them! Any time one of these assholes hangs a sign in public, it gets posted online for far more eyes to see it.

It doesn't matter if you're doing it to hate on them. You think they've never been called mean names online before? They don't care, and it still spreads their message. What's more, how are we supposed to know that the propaganda isn't being posted by the hate groups themselves? I saw a goddamn rally invitation shared on this sub before the mods put a stop to the nonsense.

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warlocc_ t1_j5cxcbe wrote

>It doesn't matter if you're doing it to hate on them.

Even that seems like a bad idea to me. We've seen the comments in those threads rapidly get mass moderated for threats, and the ones not moderated are generalized derogatory messages like "All Republicans are [evil thing]" which just makes us all look nearly as bad as what we're decrying.

"They're the bad guys for being hateful" loses some credibility when the people saying it are being moderated for death threats.

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1diligentmfer t1_j5cl3c8 wrote

Hopefully you can hang on to this account another week or so.....

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Linux-Is-Best OP t1_j5ch7mt wrote

> Oh, so because they don't want to moderate, we should stifle discussion about something and pretend it doesn't exist?

Racism and homophobia, exist. I wish it did not. I truly wish it did not.

But sometimes shining a light onto something, only spreads more fire. Look at the past few years, for example. What I said in another post was true... Not so long ago, those hateful people would be cowardly, mostly by their lonesome. However, around 2016 or so, a few loud, vocal, and impressionable people who should not have been given a bright spotlight and microphone on top of a metaphorical soap box were given their so-called dues.

Shining more light and giving them more attention, only serves them.

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SouthShoreSerenade t1_j5cke28 wrote

"All publicity is good publicity" and "there is no bad press" are adages older than I am, and for good reason.

Telling me that Neo Nazi Clown Club is active in my town doesn't protect or inform me of anything. It does let other fascist swine know that there are like minded villains around for them to metaphorically copulate with.

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Linux-Is-Best OP t1_j5ci2wz wrote

> I am not going to debate it with you. This is not a debate. > I have told you the position of Reddit, wanting to crack down on hate, discrimination, and misinformation. And yes, my opinion happens to agree with that policy. > You can either respect it or leave or be banned for violating it. That's the benefit of free will. The choice is yours.

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