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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3surgq wrote

Reply to comment by TheSausageKing in Worcester Walmart violated MA law after homeless camp clearing by HRJafael

My house is not comparable to an unused space between a parking lot and a river. Think more clearly.

I’ll ask again: what land would you propose?

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TheSausageKing t1_j3sw606 wrote

Your house is even better than a parking lot: it has a roof, bathroom, and is heated.

Why are you objecting?

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3syrfp wrote

I’m fully aware you understand that my security is at risk if random people live in my house but Walmart’s security is not at risk if they live next to the parking lot. There’s also an issue of physical space. My residence is 800 sq. feet.

I’m also a person, not a massively wealthy corporation with many thousands of acres of land - and they were not using this land.

3rd time I’ll ask: what land do you propose? Until you propose some land I will maintain my understanding that you don’t think they should be able to live.

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TheSausageKing t1_j3taxl9 wrote

> My residence is 800 sq. feet.

A two person tent is only 35 sq ft. That's 4% of your place. You have plenty of room. You just don't think they should be able to live.

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3tb4f6 wrote

In my residence, no. Yes. I think they should be able to live on unused property or public property.

But you are unwilling to name any place where they can live.

Fourth time I’ll ask you. If not “on someone else’s property” then where?

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Cheap_Coffee t1_j3tfpo5 wrote

He did propose some land. Your house. What's the objection? C'mon, put your money where your mouth is.

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jp_jellyroll t1_j3thq9t wrote

Let them sleep in your backyard, NIMBY.

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3thzrr wrote

I don’t have one.

I would be fine with my landlord letting them sleep in the yard.

Would you?

If not, where?

And how many accounts do you have?

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jp_jellyroll t1_j3tixzt wrote

This is not an alt account, I am a regular contributor, I just thought it would be a funny joke because "NIMBY" is easily the most mentioned term in this sub and, well, you should let them sleep in your backyard.

Carry on!

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3tjavk wrote

I don’t have a backyard and that two of the 4 accounts bothering me with this dumb right-wing brain response are “king” and two are “jelly” has not been missed.

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jp_jellyroll t1_j3ttxxl wrote

Do you get your tinfoil hats custom-fitted?

Lol, it's just a coincidence, brah. I'm a musician and my username is how to write a G-clef in music -- a J, a P, and a jellyroll.

By the way, did you buy a house with a backyard yet? You gotta let 'em sleep back there.

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OldKingsHigh t1_j3t0e88 wrote

>I’m fully aware you understand that my security is at risk if random people live in my house but Walmart’s security is not at risk if they live next to the parking lot.

Why would you have security and liability issues from allowing this, but Walmart would not? Walmart is absolutely at risk if people are living on their property, and they continue to allow them to do so.

What happens if someone gets into a fight? Overdoses? Trips and falls into the river? Propane stove catches a tent on fire? Someone trips over a tent?

We absolutely have an issue with homelessness, but that’s a problem for society not a problem for a particular commercial business.

>3rd time I’ll ask: what land do you propose?

No one is answering this, because it’s not a relevant question for Walmart to answer. It’s a question for society and their governments to answer.

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3t0xd3 wrote

Because they were not actually in the house with the Walmart workers while the Walmart workers slept. WTF?

And it’s a relevant question for the “not on land owned by someone else” reply.

What land then?

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OldKingsHigh t1_j3t1oex wrote

>I’m fully aware you understand that my security is at risk if random people live in my house but Walmart’s security is not at risk if they live next to the parking lot.

Why would you have security and liability issues from allowing a group to live on your property, but Walmart would not? Walmart is absolutely at risk if people are living on their property, and they continue to allow them to do so.

What happens if someone gets into a fight? Overdoses? Trips and falls into the river? Propane stove catches a tent on fire? Someone trips over a tent?

We absolutely have an issue with homelessness, but that’s a problem for society not a problem for a particular commercial business.

>3rd time I’ll ask: what land do you propose?

No one is answering this, because it’s not a relevant question for Walmart to answer. It’s a question for society and their governments to answer.

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3t2atq wrote

Because they were not actually in the house with the Walmart workers while the Walmart workers slept. WTF?

And it’s a relevant question for the “not on land owned by someone else” reply.

ALL LAND IS OWNED BT SOMEONE ELSE.

What land then?

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OldKingsHigh t1_j3t45bg wrote

>Because they were not actually in the house with the Walmart workers while the Walmart workers slept. WTF?

What part of my comment is contingent of them living inside the building? There is liability from allowing groups of people to set up structures on your property, both indoors and outdoors.

You would have liability if this was in your backyard.

>What land?

I love the idea of using tax dollars to buy office buildings that are unused because of the flip to remote work to be used for temporary assistive housing to help people transition into being homed. Not on Walmart’s landlords dime though beyond their share of tax dollars.

(Deleted and re-sybmitted since I replied to the wrong comment)

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3t5ltk wrote

I’m fully aware you understand that my security is at risk if random people live in my house but Walmart’s security is not at risk if they live next to the parking lot.

Why would you have security and liability issues from allowing this, but Walmart would not?

If you can’t see the difference between me and my daughter sharing our 800 sq feet of domicile with strangers and people sleeping on unused land between a parking lot and a river, I can’t help you.

It’s illegal in Worcester to sleep on public land.

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OldKingsHigh t1_j3t7cyg wrote

I didn’t suggest they live inside your home.

I simply said that the property owner has liability, and that it’s weird you’re worried about your security/liability, but expect them to be someone else’s security/liability.

This is literally NIMBY; not in my backyard.

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3t9h19 wrote

You seem to be admitting you are this person who literally suggested they live in my house.

https://www.reddit.com/r/massachusetts/comments/108h6qb/worcester_walmart_violated_ma_law_after_homeless/j3stp30/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

And yes, I have a screenshot. Don’t edit it now.

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OldKingsHigh t1_j3tdaqk wrote

What did I say that made you reach that conclusion?

I have no idea who that person is, nor why you would think I’m admitting to be that person.

Go re-read my comment and let me know.

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3tdehi wrote

Because you referred to the person who made the assertion as ‘I’.

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OldKingsHigh t1_j3te6r1 wrote

Crazy thought, ever considered that I was referring to myself as I?

As in, reminding you that I wasn’t the one who suggested they live in your house.

>I didn’t suggest they live inside your home.

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3tfvms wrote

You replied to me about my reply to your other account. The whole context was them living in my house.

That was what you challenged me on with your question about my security vs Walmarts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/massachusetts/comments/108h6qb/worcester_walmart_violated_ma_law_after_homeless/j3stp30/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

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OldKingsHigh t1_j3tm125 wrote

No I didn’t.

I quoted part of your comment and asked you a follow up question related to that quoted piece. In my response I directly stated “on your property” not anything to do with in your house. See my original response to you,

> I’m fully aware you understand that my security is at risk if random people live in my house but Walmart’s security is not at risk if they live next to the parking lot.

>Why would you have security and liability issues from allowing a group to live on your property, but Walmart would not? Walmart is absolutely at risk if people are living on their property, and they continue to allow them to do so.

I have never suggested they live in your house, nor have I suggested that is equivalent. I simply asked why you cared about your liability while ignoring the liability on the Walmart property.

I still have no idea why you think the person you keep linking is me, is your tin foil hat too tight? Or is it just easier to blame that instead of addressing what I said?

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3tmlp0 wrote

My response, which you quoted, was in the context of them living in my house. That was clear from the exchange.

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OldKingsHigh t1_j3toqs6 wrote

Yes, and? Are we not allowed to deviate from what you and the other commenters were discussing? The conversation can’t flow from that topic?

You were clearly not caring about anyone else’s security or liability other than your own, so I addressed that with a better example.

My response, which I quoted, was in the context of them living on your property. That was clear from the response.

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3tpokq wrote

The questions you asked me were within the established context. I never said that homeless people should not sleep in my yard.

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OldKingsHigh t1_j3tqsng wrote

And that context can never change? u/LetMeSleepNoEleven declares the context parameters for all future comments? No one can post to a public forum under you if they don’t follow your rules? Of course not.

I know you never said they shouldn’t sleep in your yard, which is why I specifically mentioned “on your property” to make that abundantly clear, which you also had an issue with.

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3tspro wrote

It could change but it had not.

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OldKingsHigh t1_j3tv4hf wrote

Too busy trying to convince me I’m actually two people to read my comment and see the change?

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3tvdsf wrote

It did not change. I said what I said, which you quoted, and it had nothing to do with people being in my yard. If you missed that context, it’s on you.

If you wanted to change the topic, you should not have quoted me from the existing topic.

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OldKingsHigh t1_j3ty6y1 wrote

It did change. I said what I said, and it had nothing to do with people being in my your house. I then clarified that no less than three times. If you missed that context, it’s on you.

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3t3ekp wrote

> I’m fully aware you understand that my security is at risk if random people live in my house but Walmart’s security is not at risk if they live next to the parking lot.

> Why would you have security and liability issues from allowing this, but Walmart would not?

If you can’t see the difference between me and my daughter sharing our 800 sq feet of domicile with strangers and people sleeping on unused land between a parking lot and a river, I can’t help you.

It’s illegal in Worcester to sleep on public land.

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RevengencerAlf t1_j3t0h0e wrote

Like literally every other private property dispute the answer is "not this land." I have undeveloped land behind my house. It's still my property. I like having a nice buffer of woods for wildlife that keeps my yard quiet. I too would seek to evict someone living in that space, not the least of which being the fact that once I know they are living there, my choices are either 1) evict them, 2) acknowledge they are living there and quietly allow them to, starting the clock on squatter's rights, or 3) acknowledge they are living there and explicitly allow them to, potentially taking legal responsibility for both their safety and any safety issues they pose to my customers.

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3t1de6 wrote

The person above said “not on someone else’s land”.

ALL LAND IS SOMEONE ELSE’S. So if they are not dead, where do they go?

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Cheap_Coffee t1_j3tflq8 wrote

I keep hearing a faint echo of NIMBY....

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3tgewo wrote

My house is not my backyard.

I keep hearing hideous people who think homeless people don’t have a right to a space to live.

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Cheap_Coffee t1_j3tnxz0 wrote

Yourself among them.

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Chappy_Sinclair_ t1_j3tya06 wrote

How about your couch?

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LetMeSleepNoEleven t1_j3u3ppl wrote

Here comes right-wing brain #6 - “you don’t really want society to do something about this problem if you won’t solve it all by yourself”.

I can’t by the way, but I’d be glad for them to sleep in my yard.

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