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GodlyCheeseFries t1_iui5rsi wrote

Reply to comment by Pl4tb0nk in Once these two words come up, it's recipe for disaster by S4G3_9087

Changing established characters and lore and changing them in the name of “progress” always lowers the quality of the product.

Instead of focusing on making an entertaining product they are too busy making sure their political opinions are making it in

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Pl4tb0nk t1_iui8me0 wrote

I think saying always is a little harsh considering this like she-ra. Often it goes bad but trying to give female characters more agency and male characters more emotional complexity for example, aren’t bad principles for improving a story.

Also the aim is rarely actually just to be progressive (the executives want to say that because of marketing). Artist want to make something good maybe they have a message to but literally all good fiction has a message.

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GodlyCheeseFries t1_iui9y82 wrote

Just make new stories instead of changing what people have loved for years.

Nobody would complain about your new original like they do when you alter someone’s favourite entertainment

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Pl4tb0nk t1_iuiaxck wrote

But those two are the same thing? How many bonds are there like 5? A very large portion of fiction is a new version of an old story. If you change the story they are not the same story the old one is still there .They exist independently. No one’s is editing the CDs or books you own they are making new ones.

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GodlyCheeseFries t1_iuizj07 wrote

No need to take a dump on the previous works while making something new like what they did to luke in starwars. It’s also important to make sure the rules in these fictional universes remain the same.

I have 0 problems with any race in a movie, i just have a problem with race swapping previously established characters that have a long history and huge fan base. Again just make a new character however you want instead of fucking with characters that people love

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Pl4tb0nk t1_iuj2lsg wrote

I agree that they fucked up luke and the star wars canon in the sequels but that only true because they where sequels not remakes, squeals are still the same story so they share a canon.

I generally don’t think race swaps matter unless the race of the character is essential to the story. Incidentally this usually means that white characters are more often swapped since being white is often not essential to the story while black characters often have plot points that relate to them being black (I mean characters have been white washed historically but that’s slowing down).

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GodlyCheeseFries t1_iuj7p7r wrote

I thought we were talking sequels.

If we are talking remakes than I want everything but the quality to remain identical.

The remake of halo 2 was a perfect example of what to do to make all the fans extremely happy.

What you really have to ask yourself is “does making a change add anything of value to this (non politically)” if not then you shouldn’t make the change.

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Pl4tb0nk t1_iuj90y7 wrote

That’s a remaster, not a remake. A remake should be it’s own beast. Like the difference between re-recording a song or covering a song.

And with regards to changes adding value I also agree I just also believe that things that don’t add or subtract artistic value (I.e representation) can still be good. As long as it’s not Disney adding 2 seconds of a charecter being gay that they cut out for Chinese/middle Eastern audiences, thats kinda fucked.

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GodlyCheeseFries t1_iujg24w wrote

A remaster can only be done for non live action things.

If you’re getting people to act even if they are copying from a previous movie, it’s a remake.

If it doesn’t add value don’t change it. I’m confused how you don’t seem to understand that people love their favourite works of fiction and get pisses off when people fuck with it.

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Pl4tb0nk t1_iujihwa wrote

I get being angry when a remake butchers a thing you love. For example; I love Avatar the last airbender and I hate the live action remake. It made a bunch of unnecessary and just bad changes the story. I hate it more because I now how good the story can be. But I can still watch the show and nothing about it has changed. Bad remakes don’t retroactively make a thing worse (that can be true for sequels of course). I am glad that someone tried to expand on a thing I like, it’s just very sad that they did a poor job.

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GodlyCheeseFries t1_iujltdv wrote

So people aren’t allowed to want their favourite show updated to look even better?

Not to mention these garbage changes can affect the entire future of a show

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Pl4tb0nk t1_iujmj1d wrote

You can want it to be better, I never said anything else, I just don’t think you should assume the worst when something wants to be modern.

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GodlyCheeseFries t1_iujnzj0 wrote

I used to not assume the worst. I’ve formed my opinion after getting more and more disappointed by all these “modern” remakes

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Pl4tb0nk t1_iujprns wrote

I know what you mean but i think it just comes down to most art not being that good. We look back at our youth and even more at history and we see all the good art and think that that’s all there was but there is a pile of shit that just gets lost because it’s not worth remembering. Every remake rolls the dice again. You and I get see the dice roll for our favorite works again and most of it will be bad but that just the game and you can’t opt out.

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GodlyCheeseFries t1_iujrlk7 wrote

Most of the big names in movies were good nearly every single time. Now it seems like everything is consistently garbage with a very rare good movie.

I used to go to the theatre for every single marvel movie and now everything past endgame is so bad that I don’t even watch those movies at home.

I’d rather they left all the big movie franchises alone as everything they touch turns to garbage

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Pl4tb0nk t1_iujtuot wrote

Honestly it feels like the comic book film might begin die again like in the early 2000 before iron man revived it. Just like before it’s drowning in its own tropes, now with the added wait of “transactionalism” and Disney’s greed. It’s sad but at least we got some good movies along the way.

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GodlyCheeseFries t1_iujuoo7 wrote

It’s like they aren’t even trying when they put out something like shehulk

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Pl4tb0nk t1_iujuzu2 wrote

The whole idea of having shows that take 10+ hours and are central to the canon could never work. Like I am not watch the time equivalent of all of phase 3 just to find out that Wanda is a bad guy now.

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GodlyCheeseFries t1_iujvfap wrote

Sure have them be completely separate from the movies but there still has to be some quality on it, especially with the high bar marvel set with the older movies

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