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ngiotis t1_j6o5oto wrote

Reply to comment by shinobi500 in The disgust by Born-Pineapple8227

Your being extremely disingenuous. You know danm well it's not about the amount. It's about changing characters. It's about making every male character let alone white male, a bumbling idiot who can't wipe his own ass. While he's replaced with generic diverse female character thats perfect and great at everything so she never struggles, never learns, and is exactly the same at the beginning and end of a movie or show. It's fucking boring and outright hateful at times. You need characters with flaws,motivations, and struggles to have a story

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keep_trying_username t1_j6ojdhy wrote

> a bumbling idiot who can't wipe his own ass

There are other options for white men:

  • An evil corporate lawyer working for big oil who will "get what he deserves."

  • A gay man with lots of gay character development.

  • A white man who apologizes for being a a white man.

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ngiotis t1_j6ojyjh wrote

Fair enough lol. Also the shrill man child who can't control his emotions archeytype aka kylo ren.

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shinobi500 t1_j6o8etd wrote

Dude. I grew up watching everyone who even remotely looked like me in a movie be either a terrorist or a cab driver or both. I didnt really hear a while lot of uproar about that at the time. Its just was. Meanwhile Elizabeth Taylor played Cleopatra and Ben Kingsley played Gandhi. It just was. Again, no one was complaining.

It's hilarious that you think the current representation of white males in TV is even remotely equivalent to that when all that's happening is that casting is beginning to reflect what society actually looks like from a demographic standpoint.

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outland_king t1_j6oibmz wrote

so it's ok because someone else suffered through it? that's terrible justification.

also the issue isn't that non-whites are in media, that's great. The issue is shit like the new Rings of Power or Velma, where established characters are being changed for no reason than pandering to the audience. 99% of these complaints are about "blackwashing" existing characters instead of just making new characters. It's insulting to people of color that they can't stand by themselves. It's insulting that corporations think they have to ride the success of previous franchises.

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shinobi500 t1_j6ophdi wrote

That's a strawman argument. No one said that past suffering justifies current suffering. To be perfectly clear I'm saying that it's a false equivalence to begin with and there is no suffering or discrimination when it comes to white male representation in media just because staistically speaking they are cast less than they have been historically.

As for "established characters being changed" there are definitely two sides to that argument. Both make valid points so I won't knock on you either way regardless of what your position is there. But that's not what this meme was saying and it's not what I was talking about either.

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