Submitted by rdtthoughtpolice t3_11dq977 in movies
I wondered about this when Scar Jo did Lucy when the idea of a Black Widow movie was being discussed. It made me wonder if they did that movie to see how we reacted to her as a female action lead.
This recent "Emily the Criminal" made me wonder the same thing. Aubrey Plaza but not in a quirky role, instead in a more traditional female lead role.
I think Lucy was after Scarlett Johannsson was already fairly well-established as an actress.
But in general, I do think it's rare for someone to get a lead part with little history unless it's a young character with plans for multiple movies. (E.g. Harry Potter). Because starting w/ someone who's already a star is expensive.
Yeah you could say the $14M she made for Lucy made her fairly well established.
Yeah she was well established but in secondary roles, it was when Black Widow (THE MOVIE) was still an idea only.
Hadn't she already played her several times by then
Not in her own movie.
Scar jo was already a well known star by then lol
Oh, what action movie was she the lead in?
Just because you haven't had a leading role doesn't mean you aren't well established
But if you have read and understood the post then you will see I'm talking about her being a lead in the Black Widow movie. So I'm not sure what you don't understand.
What i don't understand is you. She played a significant character is one of the largest cinematic universes ever. If that doesn't make her well established I dont know what does. Your post is stupid
Who said anything about well established? Just you. "well established" is WILDLY DIFFERENT than the LEAD in a full on female led action movie. You are stupid.
I dont have time to argue with you. All ill say is every one of your comments has been mass downvoted. Thats all I need to say
This sub is just like that. It's packed with mildly aggressive patronising nit pickers like yourself. It's by far one of the worst subs to post in.
Yet you decided to post anyways
More fool me, I thought I might get an interesting discussion but I get garbage like your comments.
I don’t think Hollywood does this in the sense of studios - but I do think that actors and their agents probably look at projects in this way. Like ‘let’s see how you do in Lucy and show the town you can do this type of role and you’re not just the pretty lil thing and then we can try and work with Marvel on being a superhero’ - Not that this is what ScarJo did, but taking your example
Ahh that's an interesting take
Not really, no. If an actor does have a surprise hit though, that will definitely land them other/better roles.
Buzz around an actor can often be spontaneous. It fluctuates with a cycle similar to the news. Once the buzz begins, then they start becoming elevated.
Warner Bros. let the Wachowski's make The Matrix after they proved they can make/direct a movie by giving them Bound. They even had preliminary bullet-time tech in Bound. They did the movie band it led to getting The Matrix
Hollywood isn't a singular entity. This isn't how it works at all. Actors audition for roles, sometimes they get chosen, and their profile has an impact on how likely the filmmakers discover them, that's it.
Probably not as much as it used to happen in the industry, but I still say that has to be what happened with Alden Erenreich having a bit part in Hail Caesar! to playing young Han Solo.
I don't think Hollywood tests actors for roles by giving them roles. I think actors take roles in order to change their brand or to show they can play diverse roles.
Yes that might be it
Aubrey Plaza has been taking on some more mainstream, normal roles in movies and in interviews. I think she might be trying to change her persona, or our perception of it. Thought I was (not literally, obvi) the only person to notice this change in character for her.
Yeah maybe she was getting typecast too much as the weird quirky one.
Lionsgate licensed Black widow from Marvel in 2004. It hired David Hayter to write a script and Avi Arad to direct it that year before passing on the project in 2006.
Scarlett Johansson was hired to appear as Black widow in Iron Man 2 in 2009.
In 2010, Kevin Feige told interviewers that he had "discussed" a solo Black widow film with Johansson.
Feige reiterated that he wanted to make a solo film featuring the character in a 2014 interview. He also said that he'd comissioned a treatment from Nicole Perlman (who wrote the first draft of Guardians of the galaxy 1 and Captain Marvel).
Lots of creatives pitched ideas for the project. Worth a read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Widow_(2021_film)#Production
Ok?
We probably would have gotten a solo film about the character if Disney hadn't left Ike Perlmutter in charge of Marvel. Perlmutter - a comitted racist - didn't believe audiences would show up for a female super hero movie:
https://time.com/3847432/marvel-ceo-leaked-email/
He was wrong, in principle: people fucking love super hero movies.
>Lucy
Lucy was produced by a consortium of European production companies who believed in Johansson's ability to lead a film.
Johansson's agents probably used Lucy's performance as part of their negotiation for her salary for Black widow.
Thanks that's all very interesting.
Closest that comes to mind is Michael keaton as Beetlejuice before batman
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I know this happened with Will Smith. Before about 2010, it was very rare for a TV actor to successfully cross over into movies. Smith had just come off five years of doing The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, and it was a real surprise when Michael Bay cast him in Bad Boys (1995), which was a big hit.
Roland Emmerich then took a gamble casting him in pivotal role in Independence Day (1996), where Smith pretty much stole the show. After it became the top grossing movie of that year, Hollywood finally recognized Smith as a leading man, and he got top billing for Men in Black (1997) where he was acting opposite industry legend Tommy Lee Jones.
No, I don't think so. Movies are so expensive and difficult to make the idea that a studio would risk money with such a process is highly unlikely. What you're seeing though I believe is the result of type casting.
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