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danielhol OP t1_jdfn1px wrote

Reply to comment by redmandolin in The Sicario films, nothing comes close by danielhol

I'm intrigued.

Why don't you count the second film?

Is it solely based on the script? And the original script for what, the first or second film?

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danielhol OP t1_jdfxljk wrote

Damn.

I mean, I get the whole Kate is through the looking glass with the whole black ops stuff, but it just felt so boring to me. I mean, they set out that the film is under the radar black ops, dirty work that no one sees that we all know goes on.

But as an informed FBI agent, she just felt too goody goody.

I mean, she keeps the film morally in check in terms on the plot, but everytime she kept repeating how it was wrong etc I just rolled my eyes.

I mean I do get it, but it didn't seem to fit the film.

But tbh, without her, it doesn't emphasise what the black ops guys are doing is wrong/illegal.

I do see your point, and tbh, if she didn't highlight how their actions are "wrong", I guess I wouldn't of seen the sequel as "oh shit, this world is dark".

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FranceSucksSoBad t1_jdfzegb wrote

I think Kate's viewpoint does more than just highlight the morality as well. It's interesting to see how all of the newfound experience effects her at the end considering how strong her moral barometer was shown to be.

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mechaiineramen t1_jdgy522 wrote

Bro, that's gjr ENTIRE POINT of Sicario. The whole movie is a morality tale and it's meant to bring up questions about the morality of the drug trade, how we police it, the illegality of it, questions about the CIA, about torture, about revenge, about working in the dark and answering to no one. All these things. That's why it's such a good movie made by a master director. You finding it boring says a lot about you and your ability to think about these things.

Benicio literally tortures someone for information and everyone around him is fine with it. You apparently are fine with it or don't wanna think about it. He murders an innocent wife and children and you are fine with it or dont wanna think about it, or how he hijacks a driver and murders him too. Or how all of that is sanctioned by the US Government and how the one person who knows it's fucked up in the movie is forced at gunpoint to sign off on it and say everything was fine and went according to plan.

You don't wanna think about that? It doesn't fit the film? That's what the film is about. That's the entire point. It's not some lame action film like the sequel and that's why the sequel sucks ass and has a 61% compared to Sicarios 92%.

And WE all don't know how things like this go on. Ask anybody. Your average person doesn't know about shit like this or want to admit it or really have any kind or clue. They might nod their head and agree with you if you bring it up but they don't actually grasp anything you're talking about. And that's why this movie was written. That's the entire point. It does a WAY better job of tackling those issues than the generic sequel.

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danielhol OP t1_jdh9l0i wrote

"You finding it boring says a lot about you and your ability to think about these things."

Okay, a few things here.

I said that she keeps the film morally in check and that without her, the film doesn't shine a light on the bad and illegal stuff going on in the world. If I didn't have the ability to think about these things, I wouldn't of made that point.

Secondly, I think it's naive to say that people don't know this sort of stuff goes down. I would take a guess and say that you are probably aware that a lot of shady shit goes on around the world. There's literally thousands of films, TV series, video games and books that touch on this subject in a number of different ways. And the reality is that this stuff does go down all over the world, there's bad guys, and bad guys to fight the bad guys.

And in terms of "I'm fine with it or don't want to think about it", I don't know how you can read my mind but no, I don't think that these things that happen in the world are morally right or justifiable under the guise of 'cool black ops shit', but I can however acknowledge that it goes on in terms of the films narrative. I don't really understand how you can say that to a stranger on the internet, I mean, are you doing anything in your life to think about and make changes on the subject of torture, the drug trade? If so, great, but I highly doubt it, so that's kind of a put your money where your mouth is statement to say to me that "I'M fine with it".

I agree that it is a morality tale, but sometimes you don't need someone to hold your hand throughout the film to state or constantly show you that what's going on is wrong or immoral. That's what frustrated me about Kate in the film, her consistently every ten minutes reminding the audience that what's going on isn't okay just felt like pandering at times. That's my only very small complaint about the film.

In the second film, I cannot fathom how anyone could watch the film and not think that you know what they're doing is illegal or immoral. The scene where Alejandro guns down that politician or lawyer in the street should immediately jump out at you. I mean, if you placed Kate or someone who had to play the role of the morality police in the second film, I highly doubt it would of been a better film.

And to be honest, the fact that Kate is defeated in the first film and there isn't someone in the second film doing the same thing speaks volumes more to me in terms of morality, because it shows that this is a constant revolving door in the world of endless violence and immoral acts and that there aren't enough morally "good" people like Kate who can get high enough (position wise) to stop these sorts of things from happening or make real change.

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