Submitted by chrisbokiul t3_yggtvo in movies
HitchlikersGuide t1_iu9044o wrote
Alien 3 the worst in the franchise?
Bold claim imo.
I like them all - my Alien blu-ray box set is one of my most treasured movie possessions. Sure 3 and 4 don't compare to 1 & 2, but neither do any other movies.
Lightning in a bottle that happened to strike twice.
Porrick t1_iu94iqc wrote
I'd rank 3 far below anything that came before it, but also far above anything that followed. Especially Jeunet's entry in the series, which is the worst. Unless Prometheus 2 is as bad as I suspected it was going to be; I didn't bother going to see it. Or AvP2, now that I think on it. But of the ones I saw, none annoyed me as much as Resurrection.
But then again I've hated pretty much everything of Jeunet's. His twee style is like late-career Tim Burton without early-career Tim Burton to justify the paycheque.
ChewyBacca1976 t1_iu9eble wrote
I love Jeunet’s other work. Maybe it’s not your thing, but I don’t think anyone would disagree that’s he’s not the right director for an Alien film. They’re not supposed to be charming or endearing, which is kind of his whole thing.
HitchlikersGuide t1_iu962k3 wrote
Whilst I don't rate Prometheus as highly as Alien/Aliens, I still really love it - and it was the single best experience I've ever had in a cinema bar none.
Hadn't smoked weed in about two years - decided to get some to have before going to see it - at BFI IMAX in London.
Smoked... started sweating and feeling really, really bad...
Walked into the screen room and was overcome by how big it all was - like a colosseum - made it to our seats with my buddy and was confronted with the biggest screen I'd ever seen.
Then all of a sudden I perked up and was in perfect movie-watching headspace.
The film started and I watched Shaw's gigantic head appear on the screen and then I was totally immersed in this visual masterpiece for the length of the entire runtime.
It was so epic...
doctorclark t1_iub42ll wrote
This seems like a great way to enjoy this film, and all I'll say is that I wish I had your experience watching Prometheus instead of my experience watching Prometheus.
K9sBiggestFan t1_iub0q7x wrote
Resurrection is total asswater as an Alien film. Everything about it is so tacky, silly and shit. It’s like nobody involved had watched an Alien movie. By a distance the worst of the series (including Prometheus and Covenant, not including the AVPs).
Andxel t1_iuarhbr wrote
I really liked ALIEN3. The opening scene alone is amazing. Charles Dance is great. And the setting is incredibly unique.
I can understand why people have felt bothered by the off screen death of the characters from the previous movie though.
It was definitely a bold choice. The movie's dark tone definitely do not suffer from it though.
space_boobs t1_iuaylk3 wrote
Alien 3 is uneven and kind of badly-made, but I've always loved that it drives home the message that against the Alien, you cannot fucking win. It's just such a relentlessly bleak movie.
Groomsi t1_iucspd7 wrote
It had Charles Dance!
Whitewind617 t1_iu9f52h wrote
I hate 3, Resurrection, Prometheus, and I never saw AvPR or Covenant. I think my gut feeling is that 3 is the most frustrating entry because it takes a great movie (Aliens) and completely ruins the ending of it by killing off every single surviving character. It also does so in a way that makes NO SENSE (seriously Google the massive amount of fan arguments and retcons that attempt to explain how that egg got on that ship and how many there were. There straight-up is no good explanation.) The only way I can enjoy that ending now is pretending 3 doesn't exist, so that's what I do.
Resurrections requires me to already accept 3, and by contrast it's much stupider and on paper it's the worse movie, but it's less aggravating because at least it doesn't really fuck up anything that I care about. So I hate it way less than 3.
Prometheus is just a dumb movie. I don't particularly like any part of it, it billed itself as a prequel to Alien and yet has basically nothing to do with it, doesn't explain where the Aliens come from, doesn't explain really why the Engineers are evil bastards, and every character is a complete imbecile. I was genuinely confused by the positive reviews after I watched it.
AvP on the other hand...is dumb fun. The fact that it's not canon anymore makes it easier to swallow as an entry in the series. Turn your brain off and it's enjoyable.
doodler1977 t1_iu9rfhc wrote
Alien3 is better if you don't watch it immediately after Aliens. Aliens is such a PERFECT movie, and really gets you invested in everyone and the triumph.
Alien3, is a bummer (in tone/plot). But it's got some great performances, and it definitely has a style in its set decoration and general aesthetic. Charles S Dutton is probably my favorite Alien character. And Charles Dance has that quiet performance that the other films just don't seem to have (or make room for)
I_Hate_Knickers_5 t1_iua1l8k wrote
I really like Dutton in 3. Sometimes there is just perfect casting and I couldn't ask for a better fit for his character.
His eulogy for Hicks and Newt gets me every time.
doodler1977 t1_iuas0cw wrote
youtube has his rallying speech, as well as his final moments. i rewatch those a lot.
"FUCK THIS THING! LET'S FIGHT IT!"
HitchlikersGuide t1_iu9h11c wrote
Trust me, I'm aware of the flaws.
Hate is a strong word. You do you but I can appreciate them even if they didn't hit every mark.
bleunt t1_iu97jj2 wrote
4 is worst imo. I actually enjoy 3 more than 2. I take prisoners without weapons over hoorah marines with unlimited firepower. Not saying 2 is bad, I just find 3 more interesting.
Porrick t1_iu9f9l0 wrote
Controversial take, I like it! I can't possibly agree, but don't let the inevitable downvotes make you think your taste should conform to anyone else's!
HitchlikersGuide t1_iu9h8tl wrote
A far bolder claim than made above haha!
Each to their own, naturally.
FatCharmander t1_iu9bs66 wrote
> I take prisoners without weapons over hoorah marines with unlimited firepower.
Why?
Also, the Marines didn't have unlimited fire power.
bleunt t1_iu9hzl5 wrote
Because I think it's more interesting watching regular people having to outsmart and trap one xenomorph than watching several marines empty their mags at countless xenomorphs.
I know you're very eager to defend Aliens since you're correcting hyperbole.
K9sBiggestFan t1_iub0wqw wrote
Alien 3 being better than Aliens is a brave take on here
Bodymaster t1_iuej7io wrote
Alien 3 Special Edition (formerly known as the Assembly Cut) is genuinely a good movie. It adds so much that was absent from the theatrical cut.
SwitcherooU t1_iub4sl1 wrote
3 and Res are so much better than anything that came after. Who gives a shit is Newt dies? Do you think anything good happens to anybody in the Aliens universe? The continued survival of humanity at any cost is the only protagonist.
If people could get past that (and the weird special effects), they’d see that 3 is absolutely dece. And Res is super fun, especially Brad Dourif.
favoritedeadrabbit t1_iuckn2c wrote
Beverly Hills Chihuahua 4 really is the exception to the rule though.
AshgarPN t1_iubamgw wrote
>Alien 3 the worst in the franchise?
Without a doubt.
Resurrection isn't good but it is fun.
AidsMckenzie t1_iu96sdc wrote
Resurrection was one of the worst films I've ever seen. Definitely the worst alien film. 3 was pretty bad but made alittle sense
NightWriter500 t1_iu9kl7d wrote
One of the worst you’ve ever seen? Feels weird to say, but you should watch more bad movies.
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