Submitted by Average_Ant_Games t3_yv2xv9 in movies
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DavvenGarick t1_iwc6agz wrote
"In a comic, you know how you can tell who the arch-villain's going to be? He's the exact opposite of the hero." --Unbreakable
sandiercy t1_iwc6tfs wrote
I love that movie so much.
sandiercy t1_iwc5nhb wrote
But not true in the Thor movies, Spiderman movies, Civil War, The 2 Infinity Wars movies, Ultron, etc.
Asha_Brea t1_iwc5vui wrote
OP did state "in their first film", so only Thor and Spider-man count there.
Average_Ant_Games OP t1_iwc5t4y wrote
I’m referring to the sole hero films. Thor and Spider-Man were the sole films that didn’t follow this trope
Asha_Brea t1_iwc61m9 wrote
Dormamu's powers are nothing like Dr Strange powers.
None of the guardians of the galaxy have a powerset even remotely similar to Ronan.
sandiercy t1_iwc6jgq wrote
Not to mention The Eternals movie and The Avengers, Loki was definitely not similar to the Avengers.
Asha_Brea t1_iwc6sa9 wrote
The Avengers and Loki were not introduced in The Avengers. It is not the first film for any of them.
Loki is a valid example of villian that doesn't have the same the powers as the hero in their first film in Thor.
[deleted] t1_iwc9aar wrote
Dr. Strange also had Hannibal fighting Sherlock. They had similar powers.
The ending didn't make any fucking sense with Dormamu anyway. Dormamu should not have suddenly realized that "wait a minute", because he would've never remembered the last times he speared Strange. Also the warning about using timeshit too much... well nothing happened when Strange used it for 5 billion times with Dormamu. Fuck that movie was stupid in every way.
sandiercy t1_iwc63nk wrote
So, which one was like Thanos?
Average_Ant_Games OP t1_iwc8op5 wrote
He doesn’t fit the trope since he was a villain in the avengers films, not an initial sole hero film
noobvin t1_iwc6w8v wrote
In comics all heroes have a Rogues Gallery and most main villains are an antithesis to the main character. That's not lazy, that is just standard. The MCU doesn't want to deviate away from what is in the comics too much. Call it fan service or something, but it's what people want to see, especially fans.
Kitahorror t1_iwc8kd4 wrote
Because most hero stories are 'man vs self'. There's an internal conflict the hero is struggling with which is represented in the story as an external conflict between him and a mirror (or a direct opposite) for the villain.
Thus by telling the story, you can highlight the conflicting emotions and arguments the protagonist is having in their head. And by defeating the enemy, the protagonist comes to realise the solution to their personal problems.
Kakashi168 t1_iwc5lis wrote
It's a common thing, same with DCU. Blame the comic writers.
tysontysontyson1 t1_iwc6z79 wrote
It’s not true for most MCU movies… and, for the ones where it is true, they’re based off the comics. It’s long been a comic book trope that the best villains are just evil mirrors of the hero.
TrickNatural t1_iwc7mzr wrote
Pretty sure Yon Rogg has nowhere near the same powers as Vers.
Either way, its a good trope to have the villain be the opposite of the hero simply because the scenario of opposing ideals in similar/same individuals is interesting on paper. Parallel characters that took different paths and whatnot. When done right its very appealing, TChalla/Killmonger being one example. When done wrong is boring as hell, like AntMan/Yellowjacket. The MCU however has exploited this way too much to the point of exhaustion.
schwms t1_iwc94y3 wrote
Because the writers lack creativity
Asha_Brea t1_iwc5gf6 wrote
Because those are the villians for those characters in the comics.
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Is like Bizzarro and Superman. Or Doomsday and Superman. Or Zod and Superman.
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Also, Mordo is not a vilian in Dr Strange and Yon Rogg powers have nothing to do with Vers's powers.