I recommend knives out to everyone with a sense of humor. Great movie, great cast, great mystery and fun.

I have watched it several times and it holds up. A good parody of Agatha Christie stories that respects what it's poking fun at. The sequel is a lot of fun.

I think Knives Out was significantly better than Glass Onion.(a different league)

The latter is well edited and shot ,but the writing ,mystery and conclusion are shaky and contrived(although Janelle Monae was incredible)

She definitely improved her acting chops in this film. Her performance in Antebellum didn't impress me that much.

I have to reluctantly agree. Glass Onion was decent fun but essentially absurd and lacking the kind of murderous credibility that is maintained throughout the first film.

I'll never forget the adlibbed "“You had sex with my grandpa, you dirty anchor baby!” line!

1st>>>>2nd

Still cheering for this series and I hope they continue with more movies.

I hope the next one is more grounded and the cast has a better sense of connectedness.

Do I need to watch the 1st one? I’m 15 minutes in and have no idea what’s going on.

No. They are completely stand alone. There’s not even a single reference to the first film.

I think Murder Mystery is WAY better than Knives Out and Glass Onion.

My favorite line is "I will not eat one iota of shit!"

I really tried to like Knives Out. I liked the idea and I’m a fan of the actors. It felt “under-directed”. The acting was underwhelming. I thought the accent of the detective was cringeworthy. I understand that this is a minority point of view.

The first one is much better than the second. I do think Glass Onion was good, but it got way too whacky and it dragged so much in the middle. A bit predictable as well.

The issue with glass onion is there is no subversion of the mystery. It's pretty much the guy you expect 30 mins into the movie is THE GUY. There's no ultimate like "ha! Got you!" Moment by a super secretive killer.

In knives out, you do not know who it is until it is literally told to you or you pick up on shit super early into the film. There's also like a subplot of saving those people in the laundromat and the firebombing that makes the mystery seem much much more grand than it really is.

I think honestly, COVID really fucked with glass onion and I will give it a pass. Hopefully the next movie is better.

As an entry in a series glass onion was an enjoyable enough romp.

I agree though, it doesn’t feel in the same league as knives out.

And am I crazy or does every Netflix movie have shots that look ridiculously cheap?

I’m wondering if I would compare the quality of glass onion as something like bullet train (glass onion) compared to snatch or lock stock. (Knives outs). Bullet train was enjoyable enough but clearly inspired by something better. Train/Onion also both fell apart and got less interesting as their plots resolved.

There is one reference, but you don't lose much from not knowing it. Blanc tells Bron that he knows from personal experience not to mess with anonymous invitations, which is how he got involved in the Thrombey case.

I'm always surprised by people saying this. First of all, I've seen people have the exact same complaint about Knives Out - that it was obvious who the killer was from the outset. I don't necessarily agree but I guess with only so many suspects, enough people are going to shout at the screen "He did it!" and be right, and the same will be true of Glass Onion. But in Glass Onion >!the film sets Miles Bron up as the victim with the murder mystery game (plus maybe my familiarity with The Last of Sheila and the fact this film was inspired by it meant I assumed it would follow the same set up as to who the victim was), and how could you know he was the killer half an hour in when a murder, as far as the audience knows, hasn't even happened at that point? And when a murder does happen, it's made to look like Bron was the intended target!<

I guess it depends on how you go into the film. It feels to me, and I may be wrong here, that a lot of people who didn't enjoy the film went into it with an adversarial relationship, treating it as something to outsmart, not letting its tricks work on them. Sure you might figure out the mystery by intentionally disregarding what the film is telling you, but clearly it will leave you unsatisfied. Maybe that's a sign its tricks are poorly crafted, but (and this is obviously anecdotal so make of it what you will) I've watched it with five other people now and we all thoroughly enjoyed it. None of us guessed who it would be or found the solution unsatisfying, which I think is pretty impressive since it's deliberately unsatisfying lol.

Although I really like Glass Onion I can see why people don’t. This feels looser but it’s also a lot more on the comedy side of things. I like that the decision for the tonal shift was deliberate and I’m looking forward to the next one to see where he takes it.

Don’t tell Ben Shapiro.

The most giveaway thing is the name itself. When Benoit goes up to talk to miles he sees the illusionary glass onion in his office and he remarks about it. The glass onion means that the killer was in plain sight the whole time Benoit just had to peel the layers of an already transparent onion.

I really disliked Knives Out. This one I liked.

I think that line is so interesting because we learn later that Blanc's invitation to Bron's island wasn't anonymous at all. So while he's telling the truth, in his experience anonymous invitations are bad, he's using it to lie to Bron. Bron would've been better off heeding Blanc's warning.

What are you even talking about? Miles is the last person we meet and basically every character is in plain sight the entire time besides Janelle Monae.

It’s also incredibly easy for bad faith detractors to simply lie and say “garbage, I knew who done it the whole time.” I know, I know, liars on the anonymous internet!? But by golly it happens. And unfortunately that also makes it very easy to misattribute any negative appraisal as bad faith.

Would be much better if people didn’t go around treating their subjective perspectives and experiences as objective absolute truths.

how was it under directed in your eyes. it was directed perfectly.

I found it supremely overrated. I wonder how many murder mystery movies you’ve seen? Manhunter, Chinatown, Rear Window, North By Northwest, The Fugitive, Zodiac, Silence of the Lambs….

I found it supremely overrated. To me the dialog was bad, like unbelievably cringe, no one talks like anyone in this movie.

Not just in bad faith, either. Psychology is weird. People can have half-formed hunches that multiple characters did it, and then only remember the hunch that panned out, claiming (and really believing) they "knew" who it was all along.

The entire point of a Glass Onion is making something simple look complex and difficult. So of course the movie has the stupidest motherfucker as the killer, and makes it complex by having the murder be so stupid no one even thinks he is that stupid.

I think they are about equal. Glass Onion did the thing I've always wanted to see in a well done murder mystery: >!The murderer is the most obvious suspect. Most murder mysteries you can treat like a scooby doo episode where the suspicious gardener with an eye patch who is always sneaking around is never the culprit and that makes them very predictable. Glass Onion was a refreshing change from that tired formula.!<

People in whodunits do talk like that though, it's definitely a genre film in the best sense of the word.

Thanks, I was planning on watching the movie some time soon and now I can't because you spoiled for me who the murderer is, so now it's pointless 🥲. And yes, I know you attached the Spoiler flair to your post bust sometimes people just don't notice it and then they get screwed

Sorry man :( I added the flair, that’s all I could have done

No worries, man. I know you meant well, it's just really frustrating. BTW . Happy New Year!

It's never the person you most suspect. It's also never the person you least suspect, since anyone with half a brain would suspect them the most. Therefore, I know the killer to be Phyllis, a.k.a. Beatrix Bourbon, the person I most medium suspect

I never heard any dialog like this that in Manhunter, The Nice Guys, Hateful 8, Chinatown, Prisoners, Zodiac, Gone Girl….

“There’s been a mewrdewr in Sahvannuh!”

Rian Johnson is a talentless scrotum who can shove an entire bag of smegma covered dicks into his mouth.