Original cut of mallrats was horrible before the studio made it something.

Ghostbusters was a hot mess before the studio asked them to rewrite the script.

The matrix was supposed to be a trilogy, studio forced it to be cut down to one movie.

The Abyss. Directors cut sucks. Director paid out of self pocket for the last 23 min or so and studio said no, not what we agreed to and had it removed. Much better after.

Wait like the entire plot of the first movie was going to be split into 3?

Every movie has studio notes to some degree.

Payback(1999). The director was fired and something like 30% of the movie was reshot (after also being delayed about a year). It became much more stylish and threw in an explosion for the finale. Much more entertaining than the eventual director's cut from 2005.

Every single good, non independent, film you have ever seen in your life was the positive result of a ton of studio involvement. It's only called interference when directors or actors are trying to blame someone after the fact.

Toy Syory comes to mind. The full story is long but basically Jeffrey Katzenberg altered the movie multiple times through the development.

Justice League. It wasn’t 4 hrs and didn’t have a stupid screaming goat sound every time Wonder Woman appeared.

Payback - The directors cut was a lot darker and lacked the light hearted tone of the theatrical cut. It's far from terrible, but the directors version just didn't have as satisfying an ending as the theatrical cut. It is interesting just how different the two versions are.

Rogue One (2016). The first cut reportedly was a mess. Original director was fired. Ron Howard Someone else was brought in as a replacement. They re-wrote and re-shot about half the movie.

There are some great scenes in the original trailer that are not in the movie as a result, and that sucks, but I think we can all agree that the movie came out awesome regardless.

Edit: Fixed. Same result, though.

Wasn't Woody the bad guy in the first draft?

The studio changed a massive amount on the script and it went through a Lot of revisions. The movie we got is pretty different than earlier iterations. It was way more religious and sci fi script with some more complicated characters and Morpheus was a bit of a villain

Although more to note, the matrix was being sold almost entirely based on the new effects and action not the script, which was way secondary.

Ad Astra apparently had a good bit of studio interference, and even though I still enjoyed it, you can easily tell that the pacing of the movie is pretty weird.

Wrong movie. Ron Howard had nothing to do with Rogue One. He took over on Solo.

Reportedly the things they made Edwards change on Rogue One, while big, were more in the vein of rearranging and adding more emotional weight to the last act battle, but he stayed onboard the whole time.

There was almost an entire movie made that got thrown out and completely rewritten

Every Hollywood movie has a ton input from multiple people from multiple from all levels of the movie-making process.

There is no way you think the theatrical cut is better than ZSJL lmao

Someone has a Snyder hate boner

The infamous Black Friday Reel-https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Friday_reel

Was it the studio or was it Ivan Reitman (director)? In every interview I've seen with Reitman over the years he has said he (not the studio) suggested to Aykroyd that the story was way too big and would be unfilmable due to the exorbitant cost, and he suggested making it a smaller, going-into-business story set in present day to make it feasible (and also to help with the comedy). He also suggested bringing in Harold Ramis to help Aykroyd with the re-write and to Aykroyd's credit he readily agreed. It also made it a no brainer to cast Ramis as a Ghostbuster (since Eddie Murphy turned it down to do Beverly Hills Cop instead). Ramis was used to writing for Bill Murray, who they were thinking of asking to replace John Belushi (who died after Aykroyd had written the first treatment), and Ramis and Murray were friends and had already worked together on screen successfully once before in Stripes.

You got almost everything right. It was Tony Gilroy, not Ron Howard that came in to salvage Rogue One. Which is probably why they also gave Gilroy the prequel show to Rogue One, Andor.

No. The original script for the matrix was pretty different. A lot of elements of it that were cut ended up in the actual sequels. It was never really gonna be a trilogy but they had outlines for everything which is normal in production.

The original matrix ending was a lot less heroic, Neo doesn’t kill the agents, he just wins and flips them off and leave. Then the final part ended with it being highly hinted at the real world being another matrix level

I still have yet to see the other cut, almost did once. But before I clicked it on it with the remote, it played a little intro with Kevin Smith who pretty much said it as you described. So I just watched the theatrical. How bad is it by comparison?

He was apparently a tyrant through a lot of the development then they shut down for 3 months for extensive rewrites making him more of a wise leader and more sarcastic than outright mean.

I saw it for the first time this year & was blown away. The way it captures the vastness of space, it makes you feel tiny.

I was sure that the movie was going to be terrible, but i thought it was incredible. I hope in time people revisit it & give it the praise it deserves.

was Gareth Edwards(Evans?) fired? I swore he was involved in reshoots but shared it with Gilroy. I recall Gareth talking about the Vader sequence being part of reshoots and he even cameoed in it, too. He also invited Peter Jackson to the set that day but didn’t tell him what they were filming

Do you have any sources for this? I used to be pretty into those movies and never heard about that and would like to learn more.

I do think it’s better.

Unwatchable and weirdly slow paced. Somehow they thought TS was the main character. Not enough Jason Lee to carry the opening.

I'm no hater, but I absolutely think that the 4+ hour cut, which featured tons of superfluous scenes and many of the same lame plot contrivances the theatrical cut featured, was a step down from the mediocre product initially released in cinemas. What a wasted opportunity by a director who finally could have released the best version of his movie possible, but instead settled for just chucking everything back in and assuming more is better.

Lots of info from back in the day. There used to be some copies of older scripts on movie newsgroups and discussions of them. Yeah that old and obscure. Not sure what is around today.

It’s a bit odd in that long ago there was often tons of legit internal movie info available, alternate bootleg cuts, and such that today would seem insane to ever hit the internet or street.

even regardless of that, it felt like a mix of oil, water. Whedon may have gone off the rails with his own whedonisms (and his ego), but even he had his stuff re-edited by the studio and Geoff Johns.

Thank goodness somebody at WBD had the foresight to keep Gunn on payroll and promote him. Hell, that wouldn’t even have happened if Disney didn’t fire Gunn in the first place

I think the first Star Wars required alot of editing to make it what it is now.

Yep, I've always liked this example of same film, different cuts.

But I think the best possible version has elements of both cuts.

oof, while I like TS, Brodie is the heart and soul of the movie