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Royal-Geologist587 t1_j2fo8kz wrote

I think a few people dismissed it due to the poor critic reviews, but I loved it, I know others who did too. And at the end of the day, people just enjoy different things

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BanterDTD t1_j2fpvj4 wrote

I think it will be reclaimed over the next decade and will become extremely well liked.

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verstohlen t1_j2frl4u wrote

>And at the end of the day, people just enjoy different things

This philosophy was the basis of that hit TV show in the 80s about Willis and Arnold Jackson Watchoo talkin' about Willis? Ha, that line gets me every time.

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ddwcommish t1_j2fr0j7 wrote

Because it was awful and revolting and a chore to get through

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Looper007 t1_j2fqy4x wrote

First I heard of it, it's definitely more a divisive film rather then people outright hating it. I've seen people putting it up there for one of the better films of 2022 and some who didn't like it. I don't think it's everyone hating on it.

I liked it, could have done with shaving 40 minutes off it and it's nowhere near top 10 film of the year for me. But I liked how ambitious it was even if it's turned out flawed in the end. The performances are all great and maybe with rewatches I might like it more. I think it's a film that will garner a cult fandom and maybe with years behind it might get more shine.

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stevenriley1 t1_j2fs92f wrote

I went to the theater to see it too. I love the first two hours. But you gotta admit, that last hour is lost. If they could’ve made the last hour as compelling as the first hour, they would’ve had a dramatic blockbuster on their hands. If someone had the balls to take that back into the editing room and come out with a two hour and 15 minute version, and maybe a little tidier ending, that movie could make money. The acting is incredible. The very idea of Babylon is incredible.

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Hoebaforboba3 OP t1_j2fsdu6 wrote

Okay this is what I’ve been trying to put into words I agree with this a lot

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ToyVaren t1_j2fslex wrote

Observer bias. You only notice the examples that support your theory.

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QTRqtr t1_j2ftfdl wrote

The hyperactive editing got extremely tedious for three hours. Especially when it would happen right after a genuinely good scene. Many scenes were long or didn’t need to be there. Ex: The opening party did not have to be that long for people to understand the debauchery. The snake scene? What was the point just for some slapstick humor. Everything with Tobey McGuire.

All the characters story lines are scattered for the purpose of large set pieces or obnoxious yelling chaotic dialogue scenes so no one gets a real character arc that we can experience. The black and Asian artists barely getting any form of a character arc.

And that last scene specifically the colors and editing was obnoxious. It went from celebrating movies to just loud noises and colors.

Wolf of Wall Street (which this gets compared to a lot) is leagues ahead as it

  1. Focuses on one character and their rise and fall.
  2. The debauchery is not 20 minute scenes. It’s scattered throughout sometimes as afterthoughts so it’s not constantly shoving in your face “whoa look how edgy this is.”
  3. We actually get time to see the downfall with the investigation rather than in Babylon when it jumps years.
  4. It shows the consequences and doesn’t try to play it as a feat like Babylon does with Manny smiling in the end. This is just me but having him cry is a more powerful mission statement and then you can slowly pan to someone else watching the same movie with a smile (maybe they are watching a movie with Brad Pitts character) and then it ends keeping the hurt manny feels keeping with the theme of the movie but also validating the great speech brad Pitt is given about his legacy.
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TravelingFlipper t1_j2fpkjp wrote

I mean it was pretty bad imo. Just dragged on and on and on. Waste of a good cast TBH. It was pretty boring throughout

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Scarns_Aisle5 t1_j2fqhyb wrote

personally I feel the movie is a designed in a way to always keep the viewer engaged. it has very hyperactive editing and is very flashy (it kind of reminded me of requiem for a dream in that regard)

- but it definitely dragged in the end (I desperately wanted the film to end as soon as it cut to Manny with his new family). There were so many scenes in the last 15 minutes that would have wrapped the movie up perfectly but it kept going

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QTRqtr t1_j2fteq1 wrote

The hyperactive editing got extremely tedious for three hours. Especially when it would happen right after a genuinely good scene. Many scenes were long or didn’t need to be there. Ex: The opening party did not have to be that long for people to understand the debauchery. The snake scene? What was the point just for some slapstick humor. Everything with Tobey McGuire.

All the characters story lines are scattered for the purpose of large set pieces or obnoxious yelling chaotic dialogue scenes so no one gets a real character arc that we can experience. The black and Asian artists barely getting any form of a character arc.

And that last scene specifically the colors and editing was obnoxious. It went from celebrating movies to just loud noises and colors.

Wolf of Wall Street (which this gets compared to a lot) is leagues ahead as it

  1. Focuses on one character and their rise and fall.
  2. The debauchery is not 20 minute scenes.
  3. We actually get time to see the downfall with the investigation rather than in Babylon when it jumps years.
  4. It shows the consequences and doesn’t try to play it as a feat like Babylon does with Manny smiling in the end. This is just me but having him cry is a more powerful mission statement and then you can slowly pan to someone else watching the same movie with a smile (maybe they are watching a movie with Brad Pitts character) and then it ends keeping the hurt manny feels but also validating the great speech brad Pitt is given about legacy
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Hip_Hop_Hippos t1_j2frkmk wrote

It’s an hour too long, I don’t think I could even count the number of scenes that don’t move the story forward and it tries to sneak through the back door of the “look at how great we are in Hollywood” movie archetype by pretending it’s a cautionary tale, except what’s it’s really doing is glorifying the “sacrifices” actors make by being rich and famous. Miss me with all of that.

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