[deleted] t1_j6osews wrote on January 31, 2023 at 9:00 PM

Something can be racial without being racist. Something can portray racism without being racist. If you look at the movie as a whole and think it's racist, I look at you and think you're soft as baby shit and easily triggered.

The type of racism you're seeing portrayed in this movie is casual, day to day microaggressions and bias from not interacting with different demographics and cultures. It's lazy racial observations at the level of a twitter conversation. It's NOTHING like real hardcore historical racism, it's just annoying bourgeois frictions around race and culture that two middle class families would have. It's only a touchy subject because people like you get all triggered and emotional and can't think through mild discomfort.

I'm jewish, my grandparents are buried in a WW2 jewish war veterans cemetery, and their entire family is buried in mass graves in Europe. Kanye's music rules and is perfect for the movie, he's fine. He's just a crazy celebrity, what he says doesn't matter at all. I'm allowing it on behalf of all jews everywhere. So is Jonah, you self righteous on-behalf-of-others whiner. Adults can separate a work of art from the artist. What a dumb overly sensitive cancel culture world you've created for yourself.

The real crime is having this cast and making such a bad movie with them. Julia Louis Dreyfuss absolutely shines, and so does Jonah and Eddie when they're actually doing improv instead of trying to come off as cool.

kirill_da_thrill OP t1_j6ox3sx wrote on January 31, 2023 at 9:29 PM

I agree with you for the cast.

I also agree with ypu for separating the work from the artist, as my post said. But that's personal and in the current social climate it's very tricky, I feel like the general consensus is to wait a bit before using someones work ie making sure its not too fresh in peoples memory.

And yes something can be racial without being racist. But if you're being clubsy with such a touchy issue, you deserve the backlash.

Touching racial subjects is very hard. It's like playing with fire.

I don't feel like it's going on a limb to say that the directors burned themselves on this one.

[deleted] t1_j6p1ncy wrote on January 31, 2023 at 9:57 PM

> But that's personal and in the current social climate it's very tricky

"It's personal" is a weak defense for your generation's behavior. I understand that the current social climate is people like you whose brains are highly influenced by social media, but the way to change that is to just fucking ignore what the social media culture wants and do whatever you want to do. The internet isn't real, and people engaging in the behavior you are currently engaging in IS A FAR BIGGER PROBLEM.

>And yes something can be racial without being racist. But if you're being clubsy with such a touchy issue, you deserve the backlash.

I think you're the one being clubsy in your thinking, and you're the backlash. You don't have to be either.

>Touching racial subjects is very hard. It's like playing with fire.

Only if you're a child about things.

>I don't feel like it's going on a limb to say that the directors burned themselves on this one.

You're absolutely going out on a limb, and they didn't burn anything.