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CrackPlug80 t1_j6k031u wrote

Reply to comment by magus-21 in Avatar: The Way of Water was boring by Movie_Advance_101

I'm sorry but yes they absolutely are shallow and meaningless. They are assembly line produced movies meant for kids and teenagers. If you like them that's cool, but don't pretend they are something they aren't.

Also you act like there's some grand narrative to the whole thing, when in reality it's just like 30 repetitive movies that are essentially the same thing as the last one. Good super hero vs big bad super villain. CGI battle. That's about the extent of it. Once you've seen one of them, you've seen them all

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magus-21 t1_j6k3jkw wrote

>If you like them that's cool, but don't pretend they are something they aren't.

I'm not. You're pretending that they aren't something that they are.

>Also you act like there's some grand narrative to the whole thing

They have as much of a "grand narrative" as any ongoing, open-ended TV series. Which is to say, they may not have a fixed "grand narrative," but they do pay attention to continuity, and the characters and storylines develop within that continuity. Which is why if you don't pay attention to continuity, you won't get anything out of it, and you clearly don't.

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CrackPlug80 t1_j6k9e0a wrote

Ok then what is the grand narrative of the MCU?

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magus-21 t1_j6kb0cw wrote

Good lord, you can't even read past one sentence. No wonder you can't follow the continuity.

Here it is again: "Which is to say, they may not have a fixed 'grand narrative,' but they do pay attention to continuity, and the characters and storylines develop within that continuity."

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CrackPlug80 t1_j6kbl78 wrote

There is no real continuity, all it is is retelling the same basic story over and over again in every movie. You don't have to follow all the MCU movies to be able to watch any one of them. You can watch them out of order. They are designed this way

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magus-21 t1_j6kcd0i wrote

>There is no real continuity, all it is is retelling the same basic story over and over again in every movie

Thank you for proving that you can't follow the continuity.

I already knew you couldn't, but you just confirmed it.

>You don't have to follow all the MCU movies to be able to watch any one of them. You can watch them out of order. They are designed this way

Wrong. They are designed so that they are enjoyable if you watch them individually. But if you watch them sequentially, in the order they came out, and you remember what happened before, then you will be rewarded with developing character arcs, relationships, worldbuilding, etc.

The fact that you don't know this (and won't even consider it) tells me you never even gave it a chance, you never will give it a chance, and you're upset that so many people enjoy something that you, for some reason, can't.

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CrackPlug80 t1_j6kd2js wrote

Not sure why you are being so defensive of this children's movie franchise

I'm sorry but you're just incorrect, the MCU is nothing more than a repetitive cash cow where they crank out the same basic movie over and over again. There is no overall story to it or any larger purpose other than to make money and sell merchandise, hence there is no real continuity.

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magus-21 t1_j6keav2 wrote

>Not sure why you are being so defensive of this children's movie franchise

I respond poorly to snobbery, especially when it's unjustified.

The real question is, why are YOU so insistent on saying it's dogshit when you clearly don't even watch it?

>I'm sorry but you're just incorrect

I'm sorry but I'm not. Yes, it's a cash cow, and yes, it's meant to print money and sell merchandise, but the reason it does so with such success is because everything you said about it is wrong.

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CrackPlug80 t1_j6ken5s wrote

I never said you shouldn't enjoy the superhero movies if that's your thing, just don't pretend they are something they are not.

There is zero value to watching all the MCU movies as if they are a tv show, because there is no overall story or purpose to them.

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magus-21 t1_j6kf3k0 wrote

>I never said you shouldn't enjoy the superhero movies if that's your thing,

No, you just called it dogshit and brought it up as such in a thread that had nothing to do with it, solely because you peeked at the OP's posting history and got triggered that he was an MCU fan.

That's TOTALLY not snobbery. No sirree.

>just don't pretend they are something they are not.

I'm not. You are, and for what reason? None, except that for some reason you can't follow a few "simple" movies.

>There is zero value to watching all the MCU movies as if they are a tv show, because there is no overall story or purpose to them.

Oh, of course there is, because people do. Just because you for some reason can't follow it past a single episode doesn't mean other people can't, either. In fact, the value in treating it as a series is pretty evident in its success.

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CrackPlug80 t1_j6kflvs wrote

Ok so what is the overall story of the MCU? What is the overall purpose?

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magus-21 t1_j6khse9 wrote

That is like asking, "What is the overall story of Star Trek?"

The answer is the same: it's an ongoing series that follows the adventures of a cast of characters that evolve and change over time.

Hence what I said before: "Which is to say, they may not have a fixed 'grand narrative,' but they do pay attention to continuity, and the characters and storylines develop within that continuity."

You are acting as if the only stories worth telling are the ones that need to revolve around a central plot, as if it's the plot that matters and not the characters that drive it.

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CrackPlug80 t1_j6kiue1 wrote

It's just the same "adventure" in every single movie. Introduce new generic big bad guy, heroes get into cgi fight with big bad guy, heroes win, rinse and repeat. There is zero reason to follow these movies in order.

Meanwhile 90% of the characters are just the same generic quip machine, there is not a single interesting character in the MCU

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magus-21 t1_j6klqk5 wrote

>It's just the same "adventure" in every single movie. Introduce new generic big bad guy, heroes get into cgi fight with big bad guy, heroes win, rinse and repeat. There is zero reason to follow these movies in order

This sounds more like you making an excuse for your inability to follow anything past a single movie. Sorry, that's your own fault, not anyone else's, especially not the MCU's.

Each movie might use the same three-act formula, but the characters change, and when characters change, the story changes. Which is again why I compare it to a TV series like Star Trek.

>Meanwhile 90% of the characters are just the same generic quip machine, there is not a single interesting character in the MCU

Every character looks one dimensional if you don't have the attention span to connect even just two movies together compared to when you do.

EDIT:

Literally your whole posting history (at least recently) is just you shitting on other people for the movies they like, and not just the MCU. I hope that you one day learn to enjoy a movie without putting others down.

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CrackPlug80 t1_j6kqxuc wrote

>This sounds more like you making an excuse for your inability to follow anything past a single movie

Ok then explain what I'm missing? What is the overarching story of the MCU ?

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magus-21 t1_j6ktpmx wrote

Already did. And like I said, in case you missed my edit:

Literally your whole posting history (at least recently) is just you shitting on other people for the movies they like, and not just the MCU. I hope that you one day learn to enjoy a movie without putting others down.

And that's the last response you'll get from me on this thread.

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