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mikeyfreshh t1_j6eu4zm wrote

>As a horror fan this is upsetting.because so many these days are found footage.

I don't think this is even true anymore. I watched like 30 horror movies that came out last year and maybe 1 or 2 of them were found footage. That trend has mostly died out over the last 5-10 years.

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olgil75 t1_j6fflxo wrote

Not only is it not true, it's never been true. Here is a comprehensive list of every found footage movie that's been released over the years. It indicates only three were released in 2021. According to this list on IMDB, there were 1,388 horror movies released in 2021. That means 3 out of 1,388 horror movies or 0.2% were found footage films, lol.

EDIT: It's weird that OP would even make that claim because elsewhere in this thread they linked to a horror movie database that's incomplete and doesn't include every horror movie by a long shot. But even the information they provided has found footage films at 1.7% of their total database and 2.9% of the movies released in 2022. It's laughable to talk about these films as though they're a huge part of the film industry or horror genre.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f2lug wrote

You watched 30 films that came out last year? Which ones?

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mikeyfreshh t1_j6fnhvu wrote

2022 horror movies roughly in order of how much I liked them:

Barbarian

Bones and All

Nope

Skinamarink

X

Pearl

Bodies Bodies Bodies

Adult Swim Yule Log

Men

Watcher

Scream 5

Smile

Werewolf by Night

No Exit

The Menu

Speak No Evil

Watcher

Crimes of the Future

Deadstream

Halloween Ends

Hellraiser

Texas Chainsaw Massacre

Escape the Field

So far this year I've also seen M3gan and Infinity Pool. Of all of those movies, only Deadstream is found footage, and even that one is produced to look like a Twitch stream so there's more production value than something like Blair Witch Project. Skinamarink isn't found footage but it does sort of feel like it.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6fq2sn wrote

i like your ranking for the most part. For me I would rank the top lower and move X, Pearl, smile, and Scream up to the top. Thats me. I am glad to meet another horror fan. I agree with your least liked films. Halloween Ends wtf was that? LOL also TCM on Netflix... that bus scene is all you need to see in the movie to know that it is the worst.

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mikeyfreshh t1_j6fs5tj wrote

I actually thoroughly enjoyed the bus scene in TCM. The rest of the movie sucked ass though

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craftbr t1_j6euf3x wrote

So… don’t watch them….???

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infodawg t1_j6f5r3h wrote

We should grant op the right to rant.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f3k11 wrote

I noted that in post. Rant was triggered by a super hyped up recommendation that I was excited about. Turned out to be found footage

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MamaFrey t1_j6euab1 wrote

Old man? Most found fotage film are old too. Haven't seen a new one in like 10 years

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jamesneysmith t1_j6exazk wrote

Deadstream I guess could fit into the genre and it came out last year. It was a lot of fun though

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f2tgu wrote

One cut of the dead

List of found footage horror films of 2022 https://www.allhorror.com/genre/found-footage

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olgil75 t1_j6fium7 wrote

That database only includes 9,426 horror movies, which obviously doesn't include every horror movie that's ever been released. But even among the database that you provided, only 167 of them are found footage, which equates to 1.7% of the total database. The database includes 403 horror movies from 2022 and 12 of those are found footage films, for a whopping 2.9% of the total horror movies in 2022.

How you can talk about found footage films and seriously claim there's a lot of them is hilarious.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6fl832 wrote

I claimed that there are a lot. I don't like them. Does every opinion out there need to be backed by stats? I also don't like the color brown. Do I need to have some facts about brown to establish an observation and opinion on that color?

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olgil75 t1_j6fmqlq wrote

Whether you like the movies or think they're any good is your opinion. And like I've said before, I don't care about your opinion of these movies. In fact, I tend to agree with your opinions as it relates to found footage films in general because I also find most of them to be of a poor quality.

But whether there's a lot of them being made isn't really an opinion. It's either true or not because it's something that can be proved or disproved with facts and statistics. Less than a percent simply isn't a lot, so your perception or assumption was wrong. And it's okay to think something and be proven wrong. But what you don't get to do is hide behind saying, "It's my opinion," for facts, data, and statistics. That's not how it works.

That you're trying to twist this into me attacking your opinion on the quality of films is utterly disingenuous, and you know it.

EDIT: Apparently OP can't take it when someone calls them out because they've since blocked me, lol.

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ibnQoheleth t1_j6f1ei7 wrote

>"...it is an awful experience for the viewer"

For you maybe. Personally, I love them. I've seen some gems, and I've seen some lousy examples. Like with any film genre or style, it has its strengths and weaknesses. Rather than being bad, maybe they're just not for you?

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chemicaldrone t1_j6f6c5a wrote

I love them too. I haven't seen so many though. I guess I'm not watching enough movies, as I haven't seen near enough to get sick of that style of film yet. I won't watch any that don't feel authentic. I seriously loved Blair Witch, Cloverfield, Quarantine & the original Paranormal Activity. I can't think of any others I've seen though, but I'm definitely open to seeing more good ones. Any suggestions?

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ibnQoheleth t1_j6fe1d7 wrote

So this one's more mockumentary than found footage, but Noroi: The Curse (2005) is an absolute must-watch. It's a very slow burner, but when its secrets gradually start to unravel themselves, the previously-confusing plot becomes clear, and it's extremely creepy.

The Poughkeepsie Tapes (2007) - it's a mockumentary rather than strictly found footage, but it's one of the darkest films of its nature that I've ever seen, if not the darkest. It documents a serial killer investigation in New York, and includes footage filmed by the killer himself. The gold standard, imo.

Lake Mungo (2008) - mockumentary with a very love/hate relationship on Reddit. Some love it and think it's terrifying, some hate it and find it boring. I'm somewhere in the middle. A girl dies in a lake, and strange occurrences begin.

The Tunnel (2011) - Aussie flick that's gradually starting to get the love it deserves. A documentary crew investigates a government cover-up and delve into the abandoned train tunnels below Sydney, and they get more then they bargained for.

V/H/S - found footage anthology film (its sequel, V/H/S 2 (2013) is even better) that covers varying themes. The segments vary in quality, but it's well worth a watch.

The Dyatlov Pass Incident (2013), A.K.A. Devil's Pass. Personally didn't think much of it, but it's a decent enough flick. As usual, a documentary crew head over to the Dyatlov Pass to make a documentary about the real-life Dyatlov Pass Incident.

One I will always recommend is As Above, So Below (2014). One of my favourite films ever! Perfect for anyone who loves Dante's Divine Comedy (specifically Inferno). It's set (and actually filmed) in the Paris Catacombs.

The Taking Of Deborah Logan (2014) blurs the distinction between found footage and mockumentary, and it's superb. Really creepy.

Creep (2014) and Creep 2 (2017) - Mark Duplass is a mumblegore genius. I won't say much about either, because they're best watched totally blind, but they're both effectively about videographers hired by a man to record some videos for him.

Hell House LLC (2015). I was really impressed by it. I enjoy Halloween haunted house tour films (see: Haunt (2019), and this one combined HHHT films with the found footage genre. For a low budget film, it's awesome.

They're Watching (2016) is one that's barely talked about, which is a shame, because it's really great fun. An American home improvement TV team head over to Eastern Europe to meet an American emigrant and see her renovation. Only, the villagers are extremely religious and superstitious, and strange things beginning happen.

Gonjiam: Haunted Asylum (2018) - legitimately terrifying. As far as horror goes, this was the one that had me looking over my shoulder the most. A documentary crew sets off to an abandoned asylum for a live broadcast, and things inevitably go wrong. There are some massive jump scares, but they're not cheap ones.

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chemicaldrone t1_j6ffzxq wrote

Wow! That's a lot more than I expected. Thanks so much. I'll be looking into these right away. I kind of gave up on horror a decade or so ago. Everything was all blurring together & I started guessing at where the plots in movies were going with weird accuracy. It will be cool to see some genuinely good movies.

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ibnQoheleth t1_j6fk5bp wrote

I'm a lifelong horror buff, and even I need to take breathers sometimes, it's no biggie! From the list, I'd most recommend Noroi, As Above So Below, and Gonjiam. All of them have some pretty big scares, and they're so well-made. Noroi can be admittedly hard to find, just as a heads-up. I really hope you find something you like!

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chemicaldrone t1_j6fs0iz wrote

I appreciate all the info. Thanks very much. I'm looking for "As Above, So Below" online right now, as I've heard of it before.

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rsandovaljr2 t1_j6ggq2y wrote

Add Death of Vlogger (super sleeper hit), Butterfly Kisses, and my fave Be My Cat: A Film for Anne

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olgil75 t1_j6fgzuf wrote

The reason you haven't seen that many is because contrary to OP's assertion, there actually aren't that many found footage films. According to IMDB, in 2021 there were 1,388 horror movies released and of those only three were found footage films. If you consider every horror movie that's ever been released, or better yet every film that's ever been released, you're talking about a film style that makes up a fraction of a fraction of a percent.

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chemicaldrone t1_j6fscs6 wrote

I definitely got this impression. I certainly haven't seen any previews for found footage style films in main stream movies lately. I assumed OP is probably watching more independent style films, but I have no idea.

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olgil75 t1_j6fswao wrote

Even from one of the database linked to by OP, the found footage films only make up like 1% of the total horror movies and 2% of the horror movies released in 2022. I don't care if they like them or dislike them, but they're just wrong about how many are being released.

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elKane0 t1_j6evkyn wrote

Have you tried not watching them?

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f3q8d wrote

Yes and I noted that in post. This rant was triggered by a super hyped up recommendation that turned out to be found footage.

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MeasurementNo0 t1_j6ewifi wrote

Chronicle, Blair Witch and Cloverfield were all good.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f4136 wrote

Also a different time for.films BW started it Cloverfield put new life in it Chronicle was at the peak.

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MeasurementNo0 t1_j6f6mw7 wrote

Yes but I would gladly watch them today. If they came out today, they would still be great. They are well done.

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Hawkmek t1_j6ewlaa wrote

As Above So Below was good.

Devil's Pass

I like em

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stunkdunkly t1_j6ezqre wrote

This is a post from 2011.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f5law wrote

This rant was triggered by a super hyped up recommendation that turned out to be found footage. Project almanac which is a time travel story and is found footage and so your response is acceptable.

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fvybian t1_j6etv4t wrote

you didint like cloverfield ?

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f2fox wrote

It was okay. Also Blair witch project. But that was when it wasn't done to death.

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iDuddits_ t1_j6ey8e8 wrote

Good thing less than a percent of new films are found footage

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f4xiw wrote

Where are you pulling that stat from?

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olgil75 t1_j6f8fxw wrote

Here's a comprehensive list of 520 Found Footage Films. As of 2022, IMDB has 629,807 movie entries in its database Those 500+ movies make up 0.08% of IMDB's database. Obviously both lists might not include everything, but it's at least a good metric to give us a rough idea.

In 2016 there were 736 films released in theaters in the United States, meaning in a single year more movies were released in theaters in the United States than even exist in the found footage genre. And that's not even including all the direct-to-DVD and streaming exclusive releases. India releases thousands of movies every year and countries like China, Japan, United Kingdom, Germany, France, and Italy also release a lot of folks every year. Nigeria also has a rather substantial film industry as well.

In short, you really are complaining about a fraction of a fraction of the movies in existence.

EDIT: IMDB lists 1,388 Horror Movies released in 2021 and this comprehensive list of Found Footage Movies indicates 3 were released in 2021. That's less than a percent...

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f92hh wrote

What's the percentage of user review rating above 8 in the whole of the IMDB database?

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olgil75 t1_j6faadh wrote

What does this have to do with anything? I'm not here saying found footage movies are masterpieces in the cinematic landscape. I was literally just backing up what the other redditor said about this genre being less than a percent of movies. Why are you so salty about being proven wrong?

EDIT: Just to further drive home this point because you're being such a dick about it...IMDB lists 1,388 Horror Movies released in 2021 and this comprehensive list of Found Footage Movies indicates 3 were released in 2021. That's less than a percent...

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6fbz86 wrote

its just an opinion guy. Thanks for digging into stats though. I know i responded on your other post as well. Be well.

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olgil75 t1_j6fd6na wrote

I don't care about your opinion of the quality of found footage movies. But you can't say, "iT's mY oPiNiOn ThErE aRe A lOt ReLeAsEd," when that is easily disproved with facts.

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zillskillnillfrill t1_j6ey997 wrote

Just.. Don't watch them then.. ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯. There solved it for you

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f4z1v wrote

Yes and I noted that in post. This rant was triggered by a super hyped up recommendation that turned out to be found footage.

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zillskillnillfrill t1_j6fvew9 wrote

I'm in my forties and most of my favourite horror films are found footage, so people will keep on making them because people enjoy them

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_kevx_91 t1_j6f24qr wrote

For me, found footage movies were something almost revolutionary at the beginning when Cannibal Holocaust came out. The subgenre was further revolutionized with the release of Blair Witch Project. But I think that after Cloverfiled, the subgenre has become generic and full of predictable clichés.

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Antic_Opus t1_j6eu7w0 wrote

I love found footage. I feel the cinematography is more creative, and I find the style makes the movie much more immersive

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heybigbuddy t1_j6ewzhl wrote

There a handful a find okay, and for me it comes down to this: there has to be a good reason why the story is being told this way. For instance, if the story is told through a handheld camera that’s running for the whole film (like, say, Cloverfield), there has to be a good rationale for that. Most films that use these trips don’t seem to consider them at all, sort of how sitcoms started adopting The Office-style framing. A movie like [REC] comes to mind as doing this successfully, because the characters are reporters and film as much as they can because they think they might expose something suspicious or hidden. Almost every other time, though, it’s just wanting to use shaky cams and limited perspective and security footage regardless of what might be best or most effective.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f4orf wrote

On that note. I can't do the interview format on shows either. Some exceptions on both notes are Trailer Park Boys. Never cared for the office myself, I tried to make it through S1 and gave up. Tried parks and rec and boom office format. Done. What we do in the shadows is okay but it took a few false starts and in super small doses

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heybigbuddy t1_j6g2r3n wrote

So in the British version of The Office, it really matters that they’re being filmed: characters are aware of the camera, people have watched “the show” and seen things they did or said, and the camera affects what people do and the nature of the story. It’s incorporated into it in a thoughtful way.

(The first season of the US Office is the worst until the series is about to end, so I’d encourage anyone to watch it, if only for the season, third, and fourth seasons)

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SLAB_ROCKGROIN t1_j6ex5k4 wrote

I kinda loathe them too. Most of them are very lazy as horror movies. Quite often they tried to hide the poor quality of the film by making it found footage and I mean in the sense that it feels unnecessary and tacked on just to hide the badness of it. I understand they are often low budget and thats fine but it doesnt make them any better and you can do wonders with a low budget, even as so simply that you have a fresh take on it but most of them are very cookie cutter average.

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kutkun t1_j6eyv48 wrote

IMHO, you don’t like them not because you are old but because almost all of them are trash.

If there is a shenanigan in the filming style, it’s because there wasn’t a good story to tell. So they try to “elevate” the film by gimmicks like found footage etc.

Someone can say there a a few good ones. Well, exception proves the rule.

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Waste-Replacement232 t1_j6ezn5w wrote

The amount of found footage horror movies compares to all horror movies has to be less than 0.5%

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olgil75 t1_j6fhi91 wrote

You'd be correct. In 2021, IMDB indicates there were 1,388 horror movies released and of that total only three of them were found footage, which equates to 0.2% of the total horror movies released that year. I don't know how many horror movies have been released over the years, but according to this list on IMDB there's a little over 500 found footage movies in existence, which is definitely less than a percent of the total horror movies that have ever been made. OP is reaching, and badly.

EDIT: I've seen some other websites that list additional found footage films not on the aforementioned list, but even assuming there were 15 total released in 2021, that would still only be about 1% of the total horror output.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f5eqo wrote

Fair but when you dog deeper into subgenres it becomes a much larger percentage. Example: supernatural / haunting

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olgil75 t1_j6f6bel wrote

Except your original post said, "As a horror fan this is upsetting because so many these days are found footage." And that's simply untrue because it's such a small percentage of the horror genre. Even if you look at subgenres within horror, it's still not true...unless you're talking about the "found footage" subgenre, lol.

I agree that a lot of them are of poor quality, but there's a lot of good ones too. And oftentimes it's not so much a money saving measure as it is a narrative or stylistic choice to tell a specific story in a specific way.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f7efy wrote

Careful with stats without a source.

But yeah this style is dumb. On occasion done well. But most dog shit.

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olgil75 t1_j6f9szb wrote

Maybe you should avoid making bullshit, generalized statements like "so many horror movies these days are found footage" instead. They're not, plain and simple.

And I actually replied to you elsewhere in this thread with sources to back up my claims.

EDIT: Just to further drive home this point because you're being such a dick about it...IMDB lists 1,388 Horror Movies released in 2021 and this comprehensive list of Found Footage Movies indicates 3 were released in 2021. That's less than a percent...

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6fbkfo wrote

yeah some comparison to the whole IMDB database.

so lets dive deeper into stats. Lets look a the entire subgenre of horror that is classified as "Supernatural", lets cross compare it to what is currently available on streaming options for free in the USA. Lets look at that over the timeline of October 2022-today. Then lets see how much of that sample is found footage.

Or you could just take it with a grain of salt.

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olgil75 t1_j6fe47m wrote

Why do you insist on moving the goalposts? So now you want to talk specifically about supernatural horror movies that are currently available on streaming for free in the United States? Are you kidding me with that bullshit?Here's what you originally said, since you keep shifting your argument when it suits you: "As a horror fan this is upsetting because so many these days are found footage."

That's clearly not true when you consider of the 1,300+ horror movies released in 2021 only three of them were found footage. That's a far cry from the "so many these days" that you initially and erroneously claimed.

So how about you provide information that backs up your claims instead of shitting on other people who prove you wrong? Considering there were only three found footage movies released in 2021, I find it hard to believe they'd even make up a substantial percentage of a subgenre in horror movies, but feel free to prove me wrong with sources instead of what you think about the numbers.

Or you could just accept that you were wrong and overreaching in your initial comments.

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Drogg339 t1_j6f0nkf wrote

I remember going to see cloverfield in the cinema back in the day, I had been quite excited to see it but I remember ringing my pal when leaving the movie as I was frustrated with the waste of concept from the found footage style.

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mikelogan1975 t1_j6f1r51 wrote

I just think you haven't seen any good ones. You say that they do it to save money and this tells me that you are watching low budget, crappy movies. There have been a lot of them that do suck but that can be said for all movies. If you choose to not watch a specific type of movie based upon your past experience with this type of movie you could miss out on good movies. There are several FF movies that are way better than most horror movies I have ever seen and better than most of what is coming out currently.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f6hkp wrote

Examples?

Please do not suggest: Blair Witch Project, Cloverfield, Chronicle as those are exceptions and the default examples

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mikelogan1975 t1_j6f74vu wrote

The Last Broadcast

The Last Horror Movie

S&Man

Creep 1 & 2

Long Pigs

Mean Bites Dog

Megan is Missing

The Poughkeepsie Tapes

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ChrisMartins001 t1_j6f2ofl wrote

"Found footage" films were more of an early 2000's thing. And there was some really good "Found footage" films.

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darthllama t1_j6f3g00 wrote

No one cares

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f6zpm wrote

Someone does, that's why they keep churning out this trash, and indifferent consumers slurp it right up because they are told that red is the new blue.

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BigCountry76 t1_j6f3nzl wrote

So don't watch it. Not every movie is going to make everyone happy.

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chilltown69 t1_j6f69b4 wrote

Two found footage films, as a horror enthusiast, I love are Creep (2014) and Creep 2 (2017).

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Unlucky-Top-700 t1_j6fpnmd wrote

Cloverfield was a great movie. But I gotta be honest I almost got motion sickness watching it.

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CTFX84 t1_j6f7wwc wrote

The Taking of Deborah Logan is a really good one.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f8vk0 wrote

I couldn't finish that movie. Got half way through and gave up.

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CTFX84 t1_j6f90da wrote

All good, man. Just throwing out a suggestion.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f9cdn wrote

I appreciate it. Found footage for me shows up more in the supernatural subgenre of horror.

I would love to see work with strings make a comeback

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Horranian t1_j6f8zso wrote

Meanwhile me and the bois making a found footage style film for university :(

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6f97hp wrote

Get a camera stabilizer gimbal

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Horranian t1_j6f9ryh wrote

We will, don't worry. I totally get your point. I'm not a huge fan either. But my partners insisted it has to be found footage. I'll try my best to not make those mistakes that make these movies unwatchable. Luckily for us, it is a very a rather quiet movie. Not a lot of running, shaking and all that stuff. :)

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neverendingchalupas t1_j6flxtj wrote

Found footage style films would be ok if the filmmakers didnt add more camera shake, a narrow depth of field, or weird lens choices. If everything was shot with an old vhs camcorder, handycam, gopro, or cellphone and they just fucking left it alone didnt try to add effects to it. Those movies would be easier to watch.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6fqo3q wrote

i think found footage is cool when its used tastefully. Once Cut for the Dead was an interesting approach.

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Behemothic1 t1_j6fqmb6 wrote

It's a pretty niche genre. It definitely gets old fast but for the stand outs of the genre like Blair witch project and rec I like them

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Backabeyond77 t1_j6fz5de wrote

I hate them, too. Best closet thing I’ve seen are Behind The Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon and The Taking of Deborah Logan

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Volcano_Tequila t1_j6heew1 wrote

I absolutely admit that when the synopsis is some sort of found footage trope, I elect not to watch it. It feels very been there, done that, and multiple films have explored it over the years.

There are other tropes that I just cannot abide as well, like switching bodies movies or reliving the day again and again movies or Ebenezer Scrooge takeoff movies. Each has had marvelous examples of creativity for sure, but enough is enough after a certain point.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6hyd5s wrote

I couldn't agree more. Although groundhog day and happy death Day are great. I also am bored of time loop movies.

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paulwhitedotnyc t1_j6etpny wrote

I would guess 75% of people would agree with you.

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tattloaf87 t1_j6fggro wrote

I actually really like them. There are a bunch of rotten examples but some of my favorites are As above so below, the taking of Deborah Logan, and Hell house LLC. I'm actually not a fan of Blair Witch, which I think is what most people base their judgment of found footage on.

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6fku98 wrote

Hell House LLC was okay. Still a bit weak in effects, and hard to watch at points because the camera is all over the place. I wouldn't recommend it or watch it again.

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Puzzled-Journalist-4 t1_j6fkq2j wrote

There's no reasonable criticism about found footage style films in your post to discuss about. Just pure personal distaste about it. So I recommend you to write a diary instead.

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olgil75 t1_j6fqaz0 wrote

Don't bother wasting your time speaking reasonably with OP. I pointed out to them several times with different sources that there aren't that many found footage films being made, and they accused me of attacking their opinion and blocked me.

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Puzzled-Journalist-4 t1_j6frppf wrote

Aww, don't worry. I gave up having a reasonable conversation/discussion with OP as soon as he replied to me. Now I'm just having fun letting OP know how to write a diary🤗

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6flddf wrote

can you teach me the ways?

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Agvisor2360 t1_j6f1cq8 wrote

I agree. I hate first person shooter style movies. Can’t watch them.

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infodawg t1_j6f5m4a wrote

Right there with you. They all lean heavily on the gimmick.

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kwentworthy t1_j6feyo3 wrote

Would SEARCHING or MISSING qualify as found footage for you?

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Default_Sock_Issue t1_j6fkmwu wrote

I would probably categorize them in that fashion. A neo-approach to this format for sure.

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