ajh951 t1_j6imc56 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 4:31 PM

Just like the Disney’s remake, both Pinocchio movies have a terrible messaging for kids which is that it’s ok to lie to get yourself out of an unfavourable situation.

Huevos___Rancheros OP t1_j6is14a wrote on January 30, 2023 at 5:08 PM

Fucking hell

ajh951 t1_j6kq9wt wrote on January 31, 2023 at 12:37 AM

What kind of a response is that 😅

Pinocchio’s nose growing has always been used as a warning to him for his lies and disobedience. Both 2022 Pinocchio movies used his growing nose phenomena for him to get out of the cage (Disney remake) and the sea monster (del Toro). His nose was never about being a device for escape.

Huevos___Rancheros OP t1_j6kr82v wrote on January 31, 2023 at 12:44 AM

He lies to save the lives of his father and his friends, idk what to tell you if you think that’s a bad thing. My response was the way it was because you somehow managed to misinterpret a movie that pretty much holds your hand the whole way

ajh951 t1_j6l9rkk wrote on January 31, 2023 at 3:01 AM

Pinocchio didn't lie to save Geppetto and the others. He made a deal to be mortal so that he can quickly get back to save Geppetto and luckily save the others by activating the mine. Pinocchio and the others were in an unfavourable circumstance inside the sea monster but they weren't close to being dead.

An example I could give is you're in custody/jail waiting for trial vs you're moments away from getting the guillotine. Lying in the first circumstance is very different than the second.

Huevos___Rancheros OP t1_j6lcrgd wrote on January 31, 2023 at 3:25 AM

> Pinocchio and the others were in an unfavourable circumstance inside the sea monster but they weren't close to being dead.

Ya I’m not gonna bother anymore, the movie makes it very clear that it is life or death for these characters.

DoreenFromReddit t1_j6ljw82 wrote on January 31, 2023 at 4:24 AM

Would you say it teaches kids to make deals with occult forces regarding your life? (Deal with the devil), and also if your son gets bombed by an airplane you can get really drunk and carve a wooden voodoo idol version of him and maybe an occult spirit will breathe life into it

ajh951 t1_j6n7wxk wrote on January 31, 2023 at 3:11 PM

Woah. I'm talking about one of the core themes of Pinocchio and how both 2022 movies violate its important theme to conveniently move the plot forward. I'm not here criticizing del Toro's creative liberties with the rest of the movie.

DoreenFromReddit t1_j6oks6j wrote on January 31, 2023 at 8:13 PM

I'm gonna be honest I was drunk and trying to be funny with that one. I think you make an interesting point.

The only thing that comes to mind right now would be, maybe it's trying to say that having a code of behavior is good, but there are instances when it is better to break your code of what you believe is right. Like that moment where he saved his family and friends by lying compared to someone with a rigid code like the podesta.