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BlackJesus420 t1_j9haswh wrote

Reply to comment by raxnbury in Massholes are moving north to NH at record levels by EgonEggnog

People are largely hostile to anyone from out of state buying homes here. Many also view anyone coming from Mass as another vote for the Dems, though historically Mass has sent us their GOP refugees.

I’m with you though. We’re doing better than the other two northern New England states with some of what you mentioned, but it’s easy to see NH just stagnating as cold Florida.

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-Codfish_Joe t1_j9i434a wrote

>People are largely hostile to anyone from out of state buying homes here.

But they're also hostile to anyone building houses. And somehow they want someone to sell them an iced coffee...

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PutThatOnYourPlate t1_j9jftee wrote

I don’t think the people building or buying houses are doing that off of the salary they make at Dunkin’s.

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-Codfish_Joe t1_j9jhub1 wrote

If they need somewhere to live, they're pushing Dunkin's people out of the market.

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raxnbury t1_j9i5r4h wrote

Well duh, should be high schoolers doing that.

Shit did I need the /s?

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AnythingToAvoidWork t1_j9l3f9a wrote

There's a startlingly large number of people on this sub who unironically support an organization that wants to remove child labor laws, so its better save than sorry to throw the /s lol

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jdkeith t1_j9mcm0z wrote

Unironically yes, but we also need younger people here, but we don't need douche woke younger people here - so it's a balancing act.

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lellololes t1_j9jhosr wrote

Too many people look at someone that lives 20 miles away moving over an imaginary line as if it's terrible or something. It's just normal movement of people and it happens everywhere.

You'd think that the way some people sound, that NH is the fastest growing state in the union or something (plot twist, we aren't, and it's not close)

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jdkeith t1_j9mcx27 wrote

> an imaginary line

It is an imaginary line but it gives people on one side of it imaginary rights like voting in people who have imaginary powers to make imaginary rules which cops enforce with non-imaginary guns.

The problem is the same with any immigration - and one which people on this sub are salty about regarding Free Staters - people who live somewhere want to gatekeep the culture of the area, and I don't think they're wrong to want that.

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AnythingToAvoidWork t1_j9l4sxh wrote

> People are largely hostile to anyone from out of state buying homes here

I wouldn't say I'm hostile to it, but I do find it a little galling that people who have lived here their whole lives are being uprooted for transplants. I'd say people are hostile to wealth gobbling up our homes.

Don't even get me started on short-term rentals, investment properties and vacation homes.

We need to do something that allows NH natives or first time home buyers have a competing chance vs outside wealth.

I don't know what that is, unfortunately.

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Lords_of_Lands t1_j9obe3z wrote

I don't know if anything has changed, but a few years ago homes on the MLS were reserved to first time buyers for a short time before anyone else could submit offers on them.

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General-Silver-4004 t1_j9vj5y9 wrote

Yeah it sucks. It’s the same shit that happened ten years ago because jobs paid better in MA and required in person.

First time homebuyer programs aren’t going to solve the eclipse of wealth being introduced by outsiders. Things are worth what they’re worth and we live in a national / global economy.

So yeah idk the answer or the way the tide will flow or what’s “most just.”

Maybe fthb programs provide a ring on the ladder. Or maybe they set you up for a non preforming loan / poverty. But the difference is more trivial than it’s made out to be.

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draggar t1_j9jky8s wrote

>People are largely hostile to anyone from out of state buying homes here.

I've also seen the opposite - people moving here from out of state being very hostile and pretentious towards the people who grew up here.

Also, more than once I've heard this from someone who moved here from Mass:

I moved here because I don't like the way Mass is run. Also, the state is run the wrong way, it needs to be run like Mass.

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mamercus-sargeras t1_j9hp7qy wrote

I don't really know the right solution to attract more productive young people. A lot of the issue just has to do with the housing stock being inappropriate for what most young people want and can afford, which is a nationwide problem. In our town, we've had one apartment building conversion go well, but the forces of NIMBY defeated another proposed development on the basis that the town needed "more forest." NH's issue isn't necessarily jobs (apart from professional white collar jobs anywhere that isn't the south), but that the housing stock for the productive slices of the population just isn't there.

I moved from NYC about a decade ago and I vote straight GOP every election even when I know the candidate is a criminal, a degenerate, or both.

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lMickNastyl t1_j9hv4vm wrote

Saying that a town in NH needs more forest is like saying the Atlantic needs more water.

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raxnbury t1_j9hvhwt wrote

You’re fighting people that are either independently wealthy or have a really healthy retirement and don’t want any new development to up their cost of living.

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lMickNastyl t1_j9hw146 wrote

Ya the boomer generation really missed the part where you're supposed to set the table for the next generation. We don't want free food but I swear that boomer mentality is all about eating everything on the table and leaving as little as possible.

I've met plenty of generous older folks and many selfish young ones. But that toxic thinking is something you usually see from the retiree crowd.

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MagicalPeanut t1_j9ii6bq wrote

>on't really know the right solution to attract more productive young people. A lot of the issue just has to do with the housing stock being inappropriate for what most young people want and can afford, which is a nationwide problem. In our town, we've had one apartment building conversion go well, but the forces of NIMBY defeated another proposed development on the basis that the town needed

The problem is 100% jobs. The jobs go where the people go, and the people are in cities.

Are you a young college student from MIT looking for an internship? In Boston you're looking at Nvidia, Adobe, Dell, AMD, IBM, and so on. Looking for a tech job in New Hampshire? Good luck. Boston is also packed with hospitals for medical school students. The only noteworthy teaching hospital in New Hampshire is in the middle of nowhere.

Is there a housing problem? Yes, but it's for the people living in New Hampshire and working in New Hampshire. My company can't hire software engineers fast enough, even when starting fresh out of college with 0 experience $90k +$10k singing bonuses. Unfortunately not everyone can can work remotely, but the people that can can outbid 90% in this state—getting those talented young people up here would be no problem if there was work for them.

For scale, I got offered a job for $85k in this state but am making $130k working remotely for a company in Massachusetts (no income tax either btw). I'd probably be around $180k if I wanted to commute but I ain't about that life. So I work for a slave wage because I choose to live and work from up here, but I'm still far better off than most people in NH where I'd be just one of many in Cambridge.

Per the article: I'd like to see a survey from the people choosing to move up here from Massachusetts. Are they remote workers doing what I do? Or are they GOP migrants that are uneducated and couldn't afford to live down there?

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no0bslayer9 t1_j9iiyx9 wrote

You calling 130k a slave wage is the most offensive thing about this thread

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MagicalPeanut t1_j9ijzfc wrote

It's all relative based on where you are, and what field you work in.

Lower-middle class Americans all live like kings if you ask 50% of the rest of the world. Then compare this area to somewhere where $160k base salary + $90k year 1 signing bonus + $80k year 2 signing bonus + $400k worth of RSUs vested over 4 years (5%, 15%, 40%, 40%) is the norm and we are just drops in a bucket. Everything scales. The easiest way to find success post-pandemic is to work for as competitive of a company as you can find while living in the cheapest area they will let you move to.

(btw I meant it kind of half-jokingly but sarcasm doesn't always translate well)

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AnythingToAvoidWork t1_j9l48t9 wrote

If you can quit your job and easily walk into another job within a month and not worry about running out of money it's quite literally not a "slave wage" job.

This is so embarrassingly out of touch. Comparing min/maxing finances with wage slavery is the douchiest thing I've read in a long time.

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