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bossman118242 t1_jboh643 wrote

Reply to comment by posttheory in bill to ban gender affirming care for kids currently being debated by comefromawayfan2022

All the things you mentioned are reasonable and I have nothing against them. Dress how ever they want, in high school I painted my nails and got both my ears pierced as a guy which was not the norm back then. I still believe a decision that can change your entire life with no way to take it back or reverse it should wait til 18 years old. Removing body parts or organs or altering major things just based on how someone feels should wait til 18. If people want to make the arguments that 18 is when you can join the military and risk your life then 18 should be the standard across the board for most major things. Of course it’s different for life saving and medical necessity. Many people get tattoos at a young age and when they get older they regret it, this COULD happen with this kind of stuff to. Yes I agree your body your choice. If someone is determined enough sure they will find a way and just go to a state that approves of it. People make more dumb decisions as a teenager.

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posttheory t1_jboi6ih wrote

Overall I tend to agree, except that mental health too is medical and can lead to medical necessity, which patients, family, and doctors should decide, not us.

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comefromawayfan2022 OP t1_jbqw7qs wrote

If I had let my family decide my mental health care based on "medical necessity" then id be dead...I came from a family that had absolutely zero belief in mental health care. I had to go to therapy in secret because when I first approached my mom about seeking therapy she laughed in my face and basically told me nothing was wrong with me(despite the fact that id been battling depression and anxiety for years at that point). When I told her at that point that I was 21 and I was telling her I was going to therapy and not asking her she basically told me if I proceeded with this shed sell my car(yeah she was abusive, controlling and a narcissist).

This is also the same parent who for years refused to let me get a professional diagnosis of depression as a kid because "I was just looking for attention"(turns out depression doesn't work like that)

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posttheory t1_jbr7dir wrote

Very sorry that happened. You're exactly right: the child's health needs should come first, including mental health. That's the necessity. And it applies to care and counseling for depression, anxiety, gender issues, dealing with bullies, whatever. No legislature should interfere.

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mmirate t1_jbrfiqa wrote

> living with parents at age 21

Yeah, that's a "you" problem.

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comefromawayfan2022 OP t1_jbrg7js wrote

I no longer live with them and we are minimal contact. But there are not exactly a whole lot of living options for adults who are on the autism spectrum and don't have the life skills to live independently or on their own with roommates..so my only choice at that point was living with my parents..add in emotionally abusive and narcissistic parents who guilt trip you and emotionally abused and manipulated you at the slightest talk of even moving out and it adds a whole new layer of complications to the living situation.

I moved out about a month after that and my parents sent the fucking cops to my new address to harass me and tried to get the cops to drag me home. Living situations are complicated when dealing with abusive and toxic folks

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llambo17 t1_jboqsun wrote

>mental health too is medical and can lead to medical necessity,

Elaborate on that like medical necessity in what way?

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Newgidoz t1_jbqw4el wrote

>Of course it’s different for life saving and medical necessity.

Citations on transition as medically necessary, frequently life saving medical care, and the only effective treatment for gender dysphoria, as recognized by every major US and world medical authority:

  • Here is a resolution from the American Psychological Association; "THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that APA recognizes the efficacy, benefit and medical necessity of gender transition treatments for appropriately evaluated individuals and calls upon public and private insurers to cover these medically necessary treatments." More from the APA here

  • Here is an AMA resolution on the efficacy and necessity of transition as appropriate treatment for gender dysphoria, and call for an end to insurance companies categorically excluding transition-related care from coverage

  • A policy statement from the American College of Physicians

  • Here are the American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines

  • Here is a resolution from the American Academy of Family Physicians

  • Here is one from the National Association of Social Workers

  • Here is one from the Royal College of Psychiatrists, here are the treatment guidelines from the RCP, and here are guidelines from the NHS. More from the NHS here.

  • Here are the guidelines from the New Zealand Medical Journal

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bossman118242 t1_jbqxajs wrote

cool so they can do it at 18, that works.

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Newgidoz t1_jbqxpao wrote

How are people who take their own life before 18 supposed to transition after 18?

How are people who are forced through unwanted irreversible changes that damage their health before 18 supposed to avoid them after they've already happened?

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