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schillerstone OP t1_jcbd9eg wrote

Reply to comment by ZacPetkanas in How is storm response and two year tree trimming cheaper than burying electric lines?? by schillerstone

No because I know for a fact that burying lines is done all over the world. This means that other people did the analysis and determined it was worth the money.

economic theory measure activities by total value, not absolute dollars. The value of a stable electricity grid, especially considering climate change resiliency, outweighs the lazy status quo and shareholder return that prevents this system upgrade.

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ZacPetkanas t1_jcbet46 wrote

> No because I know for a fact that burying lines is done all over the world. This means that other people did the analysis and determined it was worth the money.

Burying lines in Demark (for example) is a whole different kettle of fish than NH. Be specific and back up your assertion that it would be cost effective in NH to bury lines though ledge, etc.

> economic theory measure activities by total value, not absolute dollars.

What's the unit of measurement? Kilograms, gallons, yards?

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schillerstone OP t1_jcbg80g wrote

I took a graduate level economic course in the spring of 2022 and I was shocked to learn how economic theory works. It's not what you think. Example, I put a car worth 12k on sale for 15k. You buy the car for 16k, who loses ? The car is worth 16k and you don't lose because you wanted to pay that much and so 16k is how much the car is worth to you.

The economic analysis of the value of buried lines would include the value of ALL the activity that relies upon electricity and is lost when it goes out. Materials and labor are not the only measure.

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ZacPetkanas t1_jcbh8lu wrote

And that's measured in......?

Finally, show your economic analysis that it would be cheaper to move lines underground, and maintain them underground as well. Don't forget the costs of diverting traffic as the linemen are working through the road surface as well as the extra costs of paving the roads because now the road crew must work around the manholes, etc.

You've posted on this thread about your feelings and demanded that other people provide you with facts counter to your feelings. Perhaps you should first provide the facts, no?

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schillerstone OP t1_jcbjtqj wrote

Did you see my edited link above that outages are costing the us economy $150 BILLION a year.

What is the value of a life lost because of failed oxygen machines ? https://www.wmbfnews.com/2022/12/27/man-dies-christmas-eve-after-power-outage-turns-off-oxygen-machine/ Would your opinion change if we had wind storms monthly? Wind is speeding up and will continue to.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-worlds-winds-are-speeding-up/

Ironically, cutting trees can mess up wind patterns and cause micro bursts.https://ncseagrant.ncsu.edu/coastwatch/current-issue/summer-2019/dont-cut-down-that-tree-preserving-a-protective-buffer-against-high-speed-winds/

Curing cancer costs a lot too but no one is giving up

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ZacPetkanas t1_jcbkft2 wrote

> Did you see my edited link above that outages are costing the us economy $150 BILLION a year. > >

NH. This is a NH subreddit.

So that's a "no" then. You have nothing but your opinion on the subject. And that's fine, but in my opinion you shouldn't go around demanding detailed numbers from other people when you've got jack squat.

I'm all in favor of discussing the pros and cons of your suggestion but you've got nothing to discuss, just your opinion on the matter.

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