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smartest_kobold t1_itmfpdf wrote
Libertarians run this sub with the diligence and honesty they bring to every other endeavor.
Berneraccountbuddy t1_itnu25d wrote
How dare moderators allow content you dislike to be posted?
woolsocksandsandals t1_itmiuqg wrote
The author doesn’t even use his real name...
Edit: that said if she actually used public funds to privatize a water body that’s shitty. If she abused her position or broke laws to make that happen she should be impeached.
GregorVDub t1_itpd0b6 wrote
Seriously, mods need to take this hot garbage down.
Equivalent-Stage9957 t1_itoue5h wrote
Go to communist China if you want censorship
pahnzoh t1_itnef9k wrote
The same reason why all these other leftist crazy political blogs are allowed to post here.
juicebronston t1_itnf02g wrote
Oh, like NHPR?
dc551589 t1_itmawaw wrote
Dude… that article lol. That is a rag. I mean, I’m all for accountability so if she did it she needs to go down for it but that article isn’t news.
leogodin217 t1_itmbfrn wrote
Seriously. Real tough to take the author seriously.
RickyDaytonaJr t1_itndbrq wrote
Hey, are you impugning the journalistic integrity of…checks notes…California Refugee? Mr. Refugee clearly did a lot of research on this article including taking a screenshot of the Conservation Commission members from the town website.
dc551589 t1_itnl1zq wrote
And they complain about “anonymous sources” and this “journalist” won’t even use their real name haha
leogodin217 t1_itqnt6r wrote
To be fair, this is a blogging site. I don't think this guy claims to be a journalist.
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dc551589 t1_itne0cm wrote
It’s a sad state of affairs when this is my train of thought reading this:
-someone did something sketchy and selfish, probably a Republican. -reads the first paragraph: wow, that’s a lot of bias. -sees it’s a democrat -ahh, republican propaganda
Now, the problem with stuff like this is that republicans will look at that and say, “see? You went in with a bias, you’re just as susceptible to propaganda,” and completely ignore the fact that we think that way because time and time again it’s been revealed that republicans lie, ignore laws, traffic children, sexually assault children, cover up all manner of abuse.
It’s the equivalent of watching someone slap someone else in the face over and over and over and the next time you see them you suspect they might slap someone and they clutch their pearls and gasp and say, “that’s offensive! You’re just as likely to slap someone as I am, you’re discriminating against me.”
Ugh…
Berneraccountbuddy t1_itnuceu wrote
Yes, only Republicans break the law. You are absolutely correct. Democrats good, Republicans bad.
dc551589 t1_itojtbo wrote
Thanks for acknowledging the situation! 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
SouthernNorthEast t1_itm989z wrote
As someone who grew up going to Rocky Pond, fuck these people
MiggySmalls6767 t1_itn4ejh wrote
Stopped reading after the “remember how good we had it two years ago?” Comment 😂. Anyone who can say that with a straight face likely isn’t a serious human.
Fast-Stand-9686 t1_itm99e1 wrote
Huh, that was a nice spot and I remember being pretty bummed when it closed.
No_Response7182 t1_ito1slj wrote
Kat’s reply copied from town page:
Since Dave Werner’s hit piece on me at Granite Grok has drawn so much attention, I wanted to post a response to Fred Hubert’s query where people would see it.
I wrote a note of explanation below, but I fear this effort is designed to tie me in knots, so I’m going to let the good people of Hollis sort it out from here. You know who you are! ——-
There is still a public boat launch at Rocky Pond . The town has a licensing agreement with the HOA to cross the open space we jointly own to allow for that public access. The HOA receives no money from anyone for the access. When Joe Rogers and Freddi Olsen decided to stop running the long standing private beach club, they tried to work out a sale of the land with the town.
The presentation at town meeting passed easily, but the warrant was flawed, it included acreage not for sale (open space owned by the HOA) that made the math on the price per acre look closer to the other properties also being voted on at that meeting. There were Town covenants that went with the land that would have prohibited the proposed new use and the HOA wanted to sit down with the town to discuss this before the meeting. In fact, one of my neighbors got up at that town meeting and asked about the covenants and she was told the Town was not aware of them. So it was a weird property rights thing that we fell into as brand new people over here. (We moved into our new house in December 2015. The town meeting was March of 2016. If anyone wants more info, feel free to reach out).
It turns out the seller’s agent explained to us that the town was told repeatedly not to include the open space in the acreage figure. But they did it anyway and in the end, the warrant could not be signed legally because it was ‘flawed’. That was the advice of town counsel.
We never said anything to embarrass the town. But we had every right to ask them to talk to us and to protect our property rights by asking them to talk to us. Nothing we did created the flaw in the warrant. A letter was sent to the town by an attorney our neighbors hired and we signed onto as members in the HOA.
At the time, we had just moved in, a rumor started that ‘the people on the pond’ stopped the sale. We didn’t stop the sale. But we made a convenient excuse. The BOS appeared ok with us taking the heat. The true failing in the warrant was never admitted to the public. And now it is being stirred up to create controversy against a State Rep by a former opponent, Dave Werner, right before an election. Coincidence?
I don’t want to keep having to explain that the effort is political. I’m still who I’ve always been. I’m not an elitist because I have a nice house. We earned our success the honest way.
As for the hit job on me personally, that appears to be the famous October surprise effort. Not a word of truth.
We own one house lot and joint open spaces from the original subdivisions, just like many in Hollis. We pay HOA fees, but we do not receive money from private sales by individual land owners.
There was a land deal involving Beaver Brook and Joe Rogers land. He wanted to make sure the land would not go to development and he donated other acreage to the deal. I don’t know if the Conservation Commission helped make that happen. But that is how much of the conserved land in Hollis happens. Trying to tie me in and showing a check that I’m no part of is probably grounds for a libel suit.
We bought our lot before we could afford to put a house here. We planned to build someday. We lived in a small center-entrance colonial on Silver Lake Road for 10 years before someday arrived. We’re still friends with our former neighbors and the people who bought our former house.
My husband made a success of his company and sold it. So we built the house we’d always wanted. Many people in Hollis have done the same.
We care about where we live. We do not try to prevent people from accessing the pond. When the access license came up for renewal with the town, the BOS suggested a gate and key to help prevent milfoil and other invasive species. We were all concerned about keeping this wonderful place safe.
People miss the beach club. So do we. But we own a house lot. We do not own the pond and we are not doing anything to prevent public boating and fishing.
Rumor mills are ruining this country. Let’s not let that sickness infect our town.
vexingsilence t1_ito4ped wrote
>We do not try to prevent people from accessing the pond. When the access license came up for renewal with the town, the BOS suggested a gate and key to help prevent milfoil and other invasive species.
How is it public if there's a locked gate?
BenThere20 t1_ito5op8 wrote
I suppose everyone will have a key except the milfoil.
nixstyx t1_itpq1pc wrote
Not only is it locked, the entire street is posted no parking. So, even if you wanted to walk around the gate, you'd have to park in the next town. It's closed to the public. Hard stop.
No_Response7182 t1_ito5u57 wrote
There are keys that can be picked up at the police station.
Equivalent-Stage9957 t1_itou6vu wrote
That seems like a fake version of public to me
Tullyswimmer t1_itpdj8n wrote
Right? Her statement is like "yeah, we kind of made an oopsie and now it's basically our private boat launch but it's technically public, because if you want to go to a ton of extra hassle that didn't exist before our kind-of-oopsie, you can still get to it. We're not going back to it just being open though, still gated like the community I live in"
MusicPsychFitness t1_itpe2j5 wrote
Likely a gate to limit boating access which pedestrians can walk around. If boaters want a key, they’d have to make sure their boat is clean so as not to infect the pond with invasive species.
dojijosu t1_itn8glg wrote
Ahh the Granite Grok. Written for those who have only attained a Proud Boy level of reading comprehension.
jmmky67 t1_ito02d6 wrote
If proven true the citizens of Hollis should be outraged. $155000 for a handful of residents to have a private pond? And don’t underestimate owners of lakeside property. The vast majority want the public off “their” water.
Tullyswimmer t1_itpdoq6 wrote
Someone posted her statement explaining the situation, and the claim is basically true. They spent $155k to buy up some land that they then put under lock and key, to keep out an invasive species of plant that obviously respects lock and key.
Technically the public can still get to it if they go get the key (possibly from the local police station), but if you don't already have a key like the people in the HOA do.... It's a hassle.
ScottieWP t1_itnte6u wrote
I love how the story starts out by saying what a not so bad year 2020 was, conveniently forgetting hundreds of thousands of Americans and millions across the world didn't die from Covid-19. But hey, at least gas was 30% lower.
nixstyx t1_itpqcac wrote
This author doesn't believe in Covid, and this is his backhanded way of making fun of people he looks down on.
buckao t1_itoivu2 wrote
Another sham essay masquerading as news
First clue: People"accused" of misusing public funds have their lawyers release statements.
Second clue: This "story" doesn't show up anywhere else in a cursory search.
mmirate t1_itoo7ij wrote
Gee, it's almost like the author did his own homework and raked up some muck, instead of just copypasting whatever official narrative floats to the top of his Twitter feed?
Spezs_Fat_Mom_45 t1_itpnqiy wrote
If a Libertarian rep used PUBLIC funds to buy property for their HOA, these crybabies would fill their diapers in a second 😂
nixstyx t1_itppow0 wrote
The author isn't even using his real name. This should be completely ignored until someone is willing to put their real name on it.
simpleranger t1_itntudj wrote
I didn’t learn much about the Rep. but I feel like I know enough about the author after a few paragraphs.
GregorVDub t1_itpatsd wrote
Careful, granitegrok or whatever the fuck you call it is a bunch of crazies...
nixstyx t1_itppl6z wrote
Yeah. I know this pond and it's ridiculous that it's now closed to the public but the guys at GraniteGrok are unhinged. Biggest red flag is that the author of this article is using a pseudonym and won't write it under his real name.
SmallSmoothRock t1_itpqlne wrote
Ian Underwood
SmallSmoothRock t1_itpqp86 wrote
Do not trust Granite Grock. Coming from a Croydon Resident
UnfairAd7220 t1_itn1gob wrote
I'd love to hear the other side. Is there an other side?
FreezingRobot t1_itn2vlr wrote
Well, when Granite Grok is one side, the other side is usually the truth, so I think this is safe to ignore.
currancchs t1_itnrhr2 wrote
She wrote a detailed response on a local, Hollis Facebook group. My wife is a part of the group (we're on Rocky Pond Road, but not connected to the pond at all) and I've asked her to share the link with me to post here; I'll update the post when she does, although not 100% sure that non-group members would be able to see it.
The response was well written, detailed, and seemed credible to me, for what that's worth. Essentially she alleged that the issue stemmed from someone affiliated with the pond trying to sell the land to the town so they could keep it open, as they were done handling it after 20-30 years, and they included acreage that belonged to a HOA in their proposal ("open spaces"), which was only discovered later and tanked the deal for some reason. She also alleges that the writer is a former political opponent and that this amounts to an "October Surprise" that is politically motivated.
She does a better job defending herself than I did, but that's what I remember of the letter.
Tullyswimmer t1_itpe59x wrote
Someone shared her response here. It's basically "whoops someone screwed up on this deal so we used $155k of public funds to take what was previously an unrestricted boat launch, put it under control of the HOA, and put a gate and key on it"
Yeah, nothing wrong with that at all.
Scubakim13 t1_itnndqf wrote
i think if anyone should be ridiculed about this, it should be the Hollis Conservation Commission. I wonder if they can just give away money like that? Seems sketchy. Perhaps there needs to be changes in how money is doled out.
notsara t1_itn4uhl wrote
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This got me
MentllyDisnfectd t1_itnijy8 wrote
lmao I can't even finish reading after that. Are they serious?
dojijosu t1_itn8lw1 wrote
So... a Democrat and her HOA bought some property?
pahnzoh t1_itnewfk wrote
It's interesting to see how all of the classic political partisans here like you are quick to be skeptics of claims against their own while they certainly do not don the sword of apology for their political opponents.
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dc551589 t1_itnlgss wrote
Oh man! You need to go read my comment from earlier where I predict this EXACT response from republicans lol. Give it up, we’ve wised up to your rhetorical tricks and we’re not falling for them any more. Both sides are NOT the same.
dojijosu t1_itng7d3 wrote
Nothing to apologize for. Sounds like her community bought a pond. Kinda sucks for the locals, but that’s all that happened. The language in this hit piece was laughably dramatic.
So know, I dare not yet draw the blade of apology from the scabbard of… I don’t know… not-wanting-MAGA-morons running anything? It’s your metaphor.
Sprinkl3s_0f_mAddnes t1_itnihnw wrote
>The language in this hit piece was laughably
The language in this hit piece was just laughable. And an attack on literature.
Tullyswimmer t1_itpdy8t wrote
Her community used $155k of public funds to take what was previously an open boat launch and put it under control of an HOA, with a gate and key that's apparently publicly accessible somehow.
That's according to her statement on the thing. It just so happens that a real estate agent made a "mistake" in a listing that just so happened to give her HOA control over this boat launch, and it was "recommended" to put it behind a gate.
Nothing to apologize for though, not like the HOA severely limited public access to a lake, using public funds to do it.
dojijosu t1_itpr0ug wrote
If true, that’s not developed in the article. Notice that the article never actually approaches an accusation of wrong doing. Just lots of insinuation of “who knows where” and such.
Tullyswimmer t1_itrxskw wrote
Oh no, the article is complete trash, as is most things put out by that website.
But the real story isn't far off of the article, unfortunately.
casewood123 t1_itnybit wrote
That’s a great choice of words.
BatSame3032 t1_itq4m4i wrote
Just to add more to this "story"
Beaver Brook Association is a non profit organization in Hollis that does conservation work. The land has a bunch of well maintained trails that is open to the public.
Senno_Ecto_Gammat t1_itm8nm5 wrote
Her on-the-record response:
>Someone should sue that rag for libel
juicebronston t1_itmcwke wrote
As they should, the Grok is a disgrace.
Final_Act6703 t1_itmw5rm wrote
The commissioner of education regularly writes Op-Ed’s to the granite grok. You can find his letters in between the racism, and sexism.
Jean-Paul_Sartre t1_itmyagi wrote
Damn you for reminding me that Frank Edelblut exists
Senno_Ecto_Gammat t1_itmdg9p wrote
Well the rest of her comment was she wasn't going to.
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dduubbz t1_itmqptt wrote
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PtrWalnuts t1_itnph02 wrote
I plan to give it a few days and see what happens. I don't necessarily believe this story is accurate. But I think time will tell you know.
If she's guilty don't worry she won't last she's Democrat.
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warren_stupidity t1_itpq9a7 wrote
She’s addressed this utter bullshit. Also the pond is open seasonally to fishing. Also it’s an HOA, not the McGhees that own the access to the pond.
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Spezs_Fat_Mom_45 t1_itplp7w wrote
Mic check 1-2 😂
juicebronston t1_itmc0qb wrote
Why is Granite Grok allowed to be posted here? Complete trash.