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Consistent-Winter-67 t1_ixhu9nx wrote

Was waiting to see when we would get another mass shooting in New Hampshire. As far as I'm aware, we haven't had any yet. We've had one.

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musicals4life t1_ixi12nm wrote

Not so fun fact, by definition this event would be a "spree killing" and not a mass murder. A mass murder requires all the victims to be in one location, where a spree killing is defined by the murders occurring in multiple locations within a short period of time. These 2 murders in different locations within a day is textbook spree killing. :(

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Consistent-Winter-67 t1_ixi170e wrote

So in a way I was right that there was no mass shooting.

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musicals4life t1_ixi1ag5 wrote

You were technically correct. Which is the best kind of correct

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Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixi1y47 wrote

I was just reading a NH Journal article from this year that refers to it as "the state's only mass shooting". So take that for what it's worth.

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SolitudeNH OP t1_ixhwl6e wrote

There was one about 20,30 years ago in Amherst at an old ice cream store, my father responded as an EMT, but fortunately we’ve been able to avoid these tragedies generally.

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Impossible-Bear-8953 t1_ixidnj0 wrote

And about 15 yrs ago, also in Amherst. Technically classed as mass shooting because my former classmate shot his family and self.

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SolitudeNH OP t1_ixijk1t wrote

Damn…I’m trying to remember that, I was about 17 at the time but unfortunately my memory from that age is fuzzy due to…teenage shenanigans.

Sorry to hear about it though, always worse when it’s someone you know, not that it’s horrible in general, but the closer to home the more it hurts.

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Impossible-Bear-8953 t1_ixiv8ip wrote

Yeah. It was.... not awesome. Not naming his name, obviously. But he lived a couple roads down from my parents.

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doobette t1_ixjsdqw wrote

Also remember this. Awful.

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Impossible-Bear-8953 t1_ixjucx2 wrote

It's sad how much we can move to the corners of our minds and not account for daily. I hope that today's victims' loved ones can heal.

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Consistent-Winter-67 t1_ixhwoup wrote

Yeah that one that killed a couple cops over in Bow seems to be the only one we've had.

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doobette t1_ixjs481 wrote

Far-Far's Ice Cream - I grew up in Amherst and remember this happened. Late '80s/early '90s, if I recall.

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Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixhv8j7 wrote

What's your definition? Carl Drega might qualify...

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draggar t1_ixhxpol wrote

I think typically a "mass shooting" involves more than 3-5 deaths (or some say 5+ injured) (not including the shooter) and is not part of organized crime (mafia, gangs, etc..).

I think he was the state's first "active shooter" situation but wasn't considered a "mass shooting".

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Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixhy3js wrote

Then that incident does qualify.

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cwalton505 t1_ixi8qmb wrote

No because the victims weren't in the same area, he killed 2 officers at the first scene, then drove and shot and killed the judge and another individual.

Then one wounded after Draga went to his house and set it on fire.

Then final stand where he wounded 3 on a dead end road.

Due to the changes in location it would be technically classified as a shooting spree rather than mass shooting

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Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixi98z1 wrote

I suppose that's why I said "What's your definition?" I'm not arguing, as it seems like semantics to me, he had a plan and mostly went through with it. Guess we are still at zero then.

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cwalton505 t1_ixicn4p wrote

I wast trying to argue either just offering insight. It is kinda semantics but I suppose there usually is a difference in motive that's worth categorizing.

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musicals4life t1_ixid6hj wrote

It can sound like semantics but words have meaning and we should use the correct ones to describe a situation. Interchanging words with different meanings is how you end up with misinformation and half truths.

The differences here are also important for understanding how and why these events occur. If you classify a spree killer as a mass murder your investigation is going in the wrong direction.

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Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixidly9 wrote

Okay, but I asked for a definition and received it. I also noted another location (NH Journal article) that called it a "mass shooting". I'm not an investigator, I was simply trying to contribute to the conversation. Call it whatever you want to.

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musicals4life t1_ixie33v wrote

Even journalists can be wrong sometimes. It happens frequently.

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Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixie61i wrote

But not you though, right?!

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musicals4life t1_ixieoz3 wrote

I get things wrong. But in this specific case about the definitions of murder classifications, no, I didnt get them wrong.

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Consistent-Winter-67 t1_ixhvt0j wrote

Ah missed that. A quick Google search showed none. Can't find a second one.

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Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixhw92f wrote

Lol got downvoted for reminding everyone that Coos County exists. Perfect.

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Consistent-Winter-67 t1_ixi1i55 wrote

Not sure if it's guns rights activists who are mad I'm bringing up a mass shooter in our state. They should be glad. We have one of the weakest gun laws in the country and only had 1 spree shooting.

Maybe it's anti guns activists who are mad that is the case. They should look up why we had almost none with our laws and see if it can apply to other states.

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valleyman02 t1_ixi831n wrote

We're on a record pace for homicides by guns. The previous record was 29. I'm not actually sure where we are today. I know it was 25 a few months ago.

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Consistent-Winter-67 t1_ixi925s wrote

Is that per day?

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valleyman02 t1_ixi9z6b wrote

Gasp no. Per year and that total not per/1000. We had been avg 19 or so a year for the last 20 years. Just been a bad 2 or 3 years for violence.

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valleyman02 t1_ixia3fi wrote

Oh now I get it you're just denying reality. So cheers to you!

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Consistent-Winter-67 t1_ixia7c4 wrote

It was a legitimate question so no idea why you're being an ass.

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valleyman02 t1_ixibfth wrote

As you seem to have downvoted it. Seemed you were being facetious and if I read that wrong then that's on me.

And yeah I'm sick of people getting shot on the street cuz we have no gun laws and we're living through the beginning of the wild wild West. As a gun owner I support gun ownership. But little or no regulation is killing people.

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