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Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixhv8j7 wrote

Reply to comment by Consistent-Winter-67 in Police advise people stay inside due to shooting by SolitudeNH

What's your definition? Carl Drega might qualify...

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draggar t1_ixhxpol wrote

I think typically a "mass shooting" involves more than 3-5 deaths (or some say 5+ injured) (not including the shooter) and is not part of organized crime (mafia, gangs, etc..).

I think he was the state's first "active shooter" situation but wasn't considered a "mass shooting".

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Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixhy3js wrote

Then that incident does qualify.

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cwalton505 t1_ixi8qmb wrote

No because the victims weren't in the same area, he killed 2 officers at the first scene, then drove and shot and killed the judge and another individual.

Then one wounded after Draga went to his house and set it on fire.

Then final stand where he wounded 3 on a dead end road.

Due to the changes in location it would be technically classified as a shooting spree rather than mass shooting

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Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixi98z1 wrote

I suppose that's why I said "What's your definition?" I'm not arguing, as it seems like semantics to me, he had a plan and mostly went through with it. Guess we are still at zero then.

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cwalton505 t1_ixicn4p wrote

I wast trying to argue either just offering insight. It is kinda semantics but I suppose there usually is a difference in motive that's worth categorizing.

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musicals4life t1_ixid6hj wrote

It can sound like semantics but words have meaning and we should use the correct ones to describe a situation. Interchanging words with different meanings is how you end up with misinformation and half truths.

The differences here are also important for understanding how and why these events occur. If you classify a spree killer as a mass murder your investigation is going in the wrong direction.

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Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixidly9 wrote

Okay, but I asked for a definition and received it. I also noted another location (NH Journal article) that called it a "mass shooting". I'm not an investigator, I was simply trying to contribute to the conversation. Call it whatever you want to.

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musicals4life t1_ixie33v wrote

Even journalists can be wrong sometimes. It happens frequently.

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Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixie61i wrote

But not you though, right?!

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musicals4life t1_ixieoz3 wrote

I get things wrong. But in this specific case about the definitions of murder classifications, no, I didnt get them wrong.

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Consistent-Winter-67 t1_ixhvt0j wrote

Ah missed that. A quick Google search showed none. Can't find a second one.

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Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixhw92f wrote

Lol got downvoted for reminding everyone that Coos County exists. Perfect.

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Consistent-Winter-67 t1_ixi1i55 wrote

Not sure if it's guns rights activists who are mad I'm bringing up a mass shooter in our state. They should be glad. We have one of the weakest gun laws in the country and only had 1 spree shooting.

Maybe it's anti guns activists who are mad that is the case. They should look up why we had almost none with our laws and see if it can apply to other states.

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valleyman02 t1_ixi831n wrote

We're on a record pace for homicides by guns. The previous record was 29. I'm not actually sure where we are today. I know it was 25 a few months ago.

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Consistent-Winter-67 t1_ixi925s wrote

Is that per day?

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valleyman02 t1_ixi9z6b wrote

Gasp no. Per year and that total not per/1000. We had been avg 19 or so a year for the last 20 years. Just been a bad 2 or 3 years for violence.

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valleyman02 t1_ixia3fi wrote

Oh now I get it you're just denying reality. So cheers to you!

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Consistent-Winter-67 t1_ixia7c4 wrote

It was a legitimate question so no idea why you're being an ass.

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valleyman02 t1_ixibfth wrote

As you seem to have downvoted it. Seemed you were being facetious and if I read that wrong then that's on me.

And yeah I'm sick of people getting shot on the street cuz we have no gun laws and we're living through the beginning of the wild wild West. As a gun owner I support gun ownership. But little or no regulation is killing people.

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