Submitted by SolitudeNH t3_z2s48z in newhampshire
The article states one person in Brookline on Rt13 shot, claims they knew each other and it was domestic violence case.
I was just told from 3rd hand info another was shot in Lyndeborough, can’t confirm but supposedly police think it’s the same shooter.
Keep inside if possible, heads on a swivel.
What's your definition? Carl Drega might qualify...
Ah missed that. A quick Google search showed none. Can't find a second one.
Lol got downvoted for reminding everyone that Coos County exists. Perfect.
There was one about 20,30 years ago in Amherst at an old ice cream store, my father responded as an EMT, but fortunately we’ve been able to avoid these tragedies generally.
Yeah that one that killed a couple cops over in Bow seems to be the only one we've had.
I think typically a "mass shooting" involves more than 3-5 deaths (or some say 5+ injured) (not including the shooter) and is not part of organized crime (mafia, gangs, etc..).
I think he was the state's first "active shooter" situation but wasn't considered a "mass shooting".
Then that incident does qualify.
Not so fun fact, by definition this event would be a "spree killing" and not a mass murder. A mass murder requires all the victims to be in one location, where a spree killing is defined by the murders occurring in multiple locations within a short period of time. These 2 murders in different locations within a day is textbook spree killing. :(
So in a way I was right that there was no mass shooting.
You were technically correct. Which is the best kind of correct
Not sure if it's guns rights activists who are mad I'm bringing up a mass shooter in our state. They should be glad. We have one of the weakest gun laws in the country and only had 1 spree shooting.
Maybe it's anti guns activists who are mad that is the case. They should look up why we had almost none with our laws and see if it can apply to other states.
I was just reading a NH Journal article from this year that refers to it as "the state's only mass shooting". So take that for what it's worth.
I drove by the car on Rt 13 this morning heading home from the gym. There was a blue car with the window shot out right in front of the state line store. I just tried to stop in Market Basket in Milford and it’s a sea of cops. I turned around and on my way home there were cops and sheriff cars zipping towards Milford on 101 and 31.
Well shit
The NH state police and news choppers are now orbiting in Nashua except for one still in Wilton/Milford
Assuming this is related as the NHSP was orbiting all AM in the other spots.
Edit: all are descending upon Nashua.
Looks like media has been kicked out of Nashua so they are off filming other stuff.
We're on a record pace for homicides by guns. The previous record was 29. I'm not actually sure where we are today. I know it was 25 a few months ago.
No because the victims weren't in the same area, he killed 2 officers at the first scene, then drove and shot and killed the judge and another individual.
Then one wounded after Draga went to his house and set it on fire.
Then final stand where he wounded 3 on a dead end road.
Due to the changes in location it would be technically classified as a shooting spree rather than mass shooting
Is that per day?
I suppose that's why I said "What's your definition?" I'm not arguing, as it seems like semantics to me, he had a plan and mostly went through with it. Guess we are still at zero then.
Gasp no. Per year and that total not per/1000. We had been avg 19 or so a year for the last 20 years. Just been a bad 2 or 3 years for violence.
Oh now I get it you're just denying reality. So cheers to you!
It was a legitimate question so no idea why you're being an ass.
Like I am going to trust these so-called "experts" I am going to go outside even harder now.
As you seem to have downvoted it. Seemed you were being facetious and if I read that wrong then that's on me.
And yeah I'm sick of people getting shot on the street cuz we have no gun laws and we're living through the beginning of the wild wild West. As a gun owner I support gun ownership. But little or no regulation is killing people.
The Purge New Hampshire style.
I wast trying to argue either just offering insight. It is kinda semantics but I suppose there usually is a difference in motive that's worth categorizing.
Real talk: you're not going to get shot by this guy even if you go outside so yeah your point is well made: experts don't have to be given any kind of credence.
Edit he was already in custody when this guy made this comment so it just goes to illustrate my point all the better lol
It can sound like semantics but words have meaning and we should use the correct ones to describe a situation. Interchanging words with different meanings is how you end up with misinformation and half truths.
The differences here are also important for understanding how and why these events occur. If you classify a spree killer as a mass murder your investigation is going in the wrong direction.
I keep hearing that, but can't find any actual official comments
Okay, but I asked for a definition and received it. I also noted another location (NH Journal article) that called it a "mass shooting". I'm not an investigator, I was simply trying to contribute to the conversation. Call it whatever you want to.
And about 15 yrs ago, also in Amherst. Technically classed as mass shooting because my former classmate shot his family and self.
Even journalists can be wrong sometimes. It happens frequently.
But not you though, right?!
Man, I wonder if I saw this maniac. Wild.
I get things wrong. But in this specific case about the definitions of murder classifications, no, I didnt get them wrong.
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Wmur is reporting it so I'm willing to accept it. I'm sure they have better sources than redditors
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“THEY DISRESPECT’D ME!!!!11!”
Auburn at beard taken by gunpoint
10 years ago this would have been the lead on every newscast.
Damn…I’m trying to remember that, I was about 17 at the time but unfortunately my memory from that age is fuzzy due to…teenage shenanigans.
Sorry to hear about it though, always worse when it’s someone you know, not that it’s horrible in general, but the closer to home the more it hurts.
Work at the market basket in Milford, cops swept the store guns drawn and checked the entire parking lot. Apparently he was in the building this morning
Of course the chances of getting shot are about as slim as getting struck by lightning while riding a bus driven by a shark. I imagine the request to remain indoors is likely more of a “the fewer people about the fewer people the police have to cordon/search/direct away” situations. The police were likely not worried about more victims but more chaos. And let’s be frank, if they’d reported a 3 mile grid where it was at that exact moment, there’s a fair few people who WOULD go directly there, either out of a desire to be in the action, or more likely, simply out of a morbid curiosity.
Just drove by and confirm that is where they got him blocked off with staties and news
Sheesh! Stay safe. I just drove through Nashua/Amherst/Milford/Lyndborough and seems like everything’s settled back down.
Or road rage. “He was driving 85 in the left lane and wouldn’t move when I tailgated him for 10 miles!”
Oh shit, I was in that area around noon. Saw a cop drive by with his lights, but no siren. Still hearing a lot of helicopters though.
It’s in the patch article just posted here
I live on/ose center road, yea kinda surprised the fuck out of me that my road got closed, I was just working on my shed, was like "why are there helis all over?"
Seems like they got the person in Nashua finally.
Living in CA right now - looking to move to the New England area in a few years. Is domestic violence actually that bad there?
Yeah. It was.... not awesome. Not naming his name, obviously. But he lived a couple roads down from my parents.
Lmao no. It's no worse than anywhere else in the country.
No, looking at some data it's around the lower third of the country. Similar to CA.
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Actually thats rather concerning. Its one thing to have “no tolerance” where you prosecute for even ‘minor’ offenses such as a single slap. Its another thing to prosecute for yelling or screaming where violence didn’t happen.
Interesting for sure. Not saying CA is great. There is indeed its fair share of domestic violence. But its not ok to basically fake a charge and prosecute on that.
I work right down the street, I'm glad you are all safe and sound over there.
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Okay is it just me or has there been a spike in shootings? They seem far more common than they used to be.
Far-Far's Ice Cream - I grew up in Amherst and remember this happened. Late '80s/early '90s, if I recall.
Also remember this. Awful.
It's sad how much we can move to the corners of our minds and not account for daily. I hope that today's victims' loved ones can heal.
Shit I saw all those staties and cop cars over there today and wondered what was going on
Yeah I have absolutely noticed this in Manchester. It's getting to where I might move
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Alienation is a massive problem, but it's not usually addressed much. Honestly I think that's in part because it's so hard to quantify let alone to fix. How do you fix a society where people are completely atomized, without the historical grounding institutions such as the church or increasingly the family. People have no sense of belonging and this leads to a lack of purpose, and people with no purpose often lash out at the society which deprives them of purpose. All the more so when even the material standard of wealth we were sold as a worthy trade off for purpose is beginning to collapse around us. People could bear it better when they could shop their anxiety away but now prices soar and wages stagnate. How can a society built on consumption endure when the material wealth of the populace maintaining this consumption falters?
Manchester is crazy lately. It used to be dangerous by New Hampshire standards. But now it's dangerous by national standards.
In one of the top 5 safest states in the country.
Nashua has gotten worse, too. Shootings used to not be very common here. Maybe a few every year. But now it seems like there's a few every month.
That's a healthy way to look at it, yes.
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Oh God you saw the car? Little blue Honda with a roof rack? I know him and I just found out about this tonight. It's like a terrible nightmare.
It was a light blue small SUV, a RAV4 or CR-V or something..
Consistent-Winter-67 t1_ixhu9nx wrote
Was waiting to see when we would get another mass shooting in New Hampshire.
As far as I'm aware, we haven't had any yet.We've had one.