Why has NH gone more to left theses days?

Submitted by BoringAccountName78 t3_yqfm2o in newhampshire

Masshole here.

A number of years ago I read an article about NH becoming more liberal. It argued that the reason why NH had become more liberal was because of the natives and NY transplants. It was actually Republican Masshole transplants who were keeping it somewhat conservative.

I can't find the article, but I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this. I'm seeing some of my NH Masshole transplants complaining that NH is becoming more liberal like Mass because of Masshole transplants, when I'm pretty certain they're the only ones keeping it somewhat conservative

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dahwhat t1_ivo3dbk wrote

I'll get downvoted for this but, IMO is because the GOP has become an extremist organization that doesnt realize how actually fucking stupid they sound.

I used to be republican, but there is no way I can support such bullshit.

(That being said I thought sununu has done a good job with certain things, and he got my vote yesterday)

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Mynewadventures t1_ivo4r7r wrote

I like to say that the Republican Party turned me into a liberal without me doing a damned thing.

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DocMcCracken t1_ivo6e30 wrote

This. I was right leaning when they were smaller goverment, less goverment in your life. It is not what they are now. All the projection and power grabs. I realized it sometime during Bush's Presidency. What is offered now isn't actual solutions, just peddling fear and shitting the bed.

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Mynewadventures t1_ivo6hoy wrote

All of that plus the Christian bullshit. I'm not a Christian.

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ShortUSA t1_ivp3v2p wrote

I am a Christian, but don't want US governments peddling religion. This is not a Christian county, this is a country welcome to all religions, atheists, etc. None of that has a place in government.

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Low-Head-1493 t1_ivochv8 wrote

Leavitt’s entire campaign seemed based on fear mongering and the fact that she had been a Trump lackey. Not too compelling!

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InstantKarma71 t1_ivo4v76 wrote

Warren Rudmam, John E. Sununu, Judd Greg … Don Bolduc.

TBH, Shaheen and Hassan win because they sound more like your grandad’s Republicans than Democrats. Shaheen and Hassan both opposed raising the minimum wage, for example.

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Dramatic_Mechanic815 t1_ivopiti wrote

Lol this is so true. US Democratic Party is closer to the UK’s Conservative Party than the GOP, which is frankly closer to UKIP.

When I lived in the UK, I voted with the UK Conservatives. In the US, it’s democrats.

GOP has gone way too far to the right. By extension, this makes democrats more center than left.

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lMickNastyl t1_ivp1z3y wrote

I gotta say I love how in the UK they savagely roast each other in the parliament.

I'd love for someone to call McConnell a blathering buffoon faced moron to his face while the Senate is in session.

Or someone call Nancy a vestigial old husk needing putting out to pasture.

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pahnzoh t1_ivotwfi wrote

They're also both gun grabbers and vote with the democrat party about 95% of the time. That whole "they're Republicans" thing isn't real.

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ShortUSA t1_ivp36ia wrote

If you wanna play here, and not just be patted on the head and put in a corner, you have to think just a little and not merely parrot talking points.

Case in point, you know most stuff passes with most representatives voting for it, largely unanimously, so even Republicans vote with Biden most of the time. Most stuff isn't controversial. You only hear about the controversial stuff. So 95% doesn't mean much, in fact I suspect it is higher.

No bills, none, zip, were brought to the floor for a vote that would grab anyone's guns. NH would hate that, but there you go mindlessly writing about gun grabbing. You're welcome for me trying to help you find a clue.

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She-hyzers-1234 t1_ivode1c wrote

I’ve been a registered Republican since I was 18, so 25 years now. The party has lost its mind. Some of my own family members are deep in the cult of Trump and they are angry, hostile, conspiracy theorists now.

It’s not the same as when I was younger and we believed in smaller government, lower taxes, and people minding their own business. It’s become a hate group now. Too many clowns.

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Truthislife13 t1_ivouk29 wrote

It used to be that there really wasn’t that big of a difference between the two major parties. There were compromises deals, rather than firebrands and fire bombs.

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messypawprints t1_ivonxtu wrote

Well said. Same exact situation here- registered independent now. I couldn’t get away from this new post-trump cult fast enough.

It seems the party is more focused on stamping out the gays, revoking rights we’ve had for 50+ years, and general racism. I don’t understand how any of us could benefit from that. I want a moderate that will take the best policies from both sides but I guess that isn’t feasible anymore? You’re either a Trumpist or a traitor.

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hardsoft t1_ivoiqiv wrote

Yeah it sucks. The intellectual conservative is basically dead. My only issue with them was on some social issues, which I figured they'd eventually come around on. Instead they've regressed on economic issues they used to own. Trump was an anti trade protectionist and market interventionist who might as well have stole some of his play book from populist Democrats...

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pahnzoh t1_ivote0x wrote

I hear this so often, but am always missing the actual justification to vote for Democrats if you still support small government and individual rights. Why would you choose something that goes against what you believe in even more?

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skullpizza t1_ivp3qao wrote

I just vote in the opposite way a Nazi would vote lately because, in my view and many others, Donald Trump is a lazy fascist demagogue who would destroy our democracy if reelected. Anyone tangentially allied with him has got to go.

Also, I was disturbed by the underhanded way republicans took control of the supreme court and roe v wade was a big issue for me as well, being the father of a little girl.

I don't like taxes, I like firearms, I prefer government small where possible. But Trump and abortion are not negotiable. Until republicans divorce themselves of the far right election deniers, I will never vote for them again.

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pahnzoh t1_ivp6ev0 wrote

It is unfortunate that Republicans cling to religion and trump, and I'd agree with you there, but I hate an equal if not more number of policies supported by the Democrats.

I can't bring myself to vote for a Democrat either, since their goals are antithetical to almost everything I believe in as someone who cares deeply about individual rights and property rights.

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skullpizza t1_ivp8age wrote

There are a number of liberal policies I would like to see passed in NH as well. Abortion protections, and recreational weed. It is insane to me that Mississippi passed recreational before NH.

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pahnzoh t1_ivp97qu wrote

I kind of hate that we still all use the term liberal and conservative.

Those are also libertarian positions that I support.

Liberals have largely abandoned any sense of individual rights other than abortion, and seem to support legislating anything that happens to be brought into the political Overton window at the time, rights be damned.

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skullpizza t1_ivpa2vh wrote

I would say that libertarians support recreational weed far less than liberals, same for abortion. This is largely due to the greater overlap of people who call themselves libertarian with those who are typically more conservative.

Can you give me some specific examples of the points you are talking about? What specific policies are you worried about from liberals? I am worried about their tendency to tax into oblivion and overregulate. I am not worried at this time about their position on guns because of the SCOTUS.

That being said, more regulation would have been nice for chemical dumping in Manchester so that French plastics company would have had a harder time polluting all that ground water along the Merrimack with PFAs.

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pahnzoh t1_ivpg4bz wrote

Those are conservatives then and not libertarians. Libertarians don't support criminalization of any drug.

Abortion has been a tough issue across the entire political spectrum because it hard to apply any principle rigidly because it involves balancing of interests between mother, father, child, timing, state, etc. Most Libertarians are against abortion regulation. But there are Catholic Democrats that are for it. It's a hard issue honestly that creates splits in all groups.

I am worried about their position on guns. I am outraged by it too. They want to lock you and me in prison for owning guns. Drive in MA with a gun and see what happens if pulled over by a state trooper. They will prosecute you and try to imprison you per the state laws the Democrats passed. They want to imprison you for it. That is evil and not defensible in my opinion. The fact that they are attempting to do this, but are unsuccessful due to SCOTUS or otherwise, is not an availing argument to me. If someone tried to kill me and was unsuccessful, should I not have any level of disdain for them? I see that as the same with Democrats and can't in good conscious ever vote for someone like that.

I don't think any party or ideaology is in favor on chemical dumping. Republicans have been going after St. Gobain hard.

Democrats otherwise don't respect my bodily independence other than abortion. Biden and the Democrats tried to force vaccination of a novel vaccine that turned out to not be all that effective. Hypocrites that use bodily autonomy as an excuse.

Democrats otherwise just want to ban, tax, and regulate anything they disagree with. From local to national government. Not saying Republicans are a great alternative in many contexts but I see Democrats are despicable.

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skullpizza t1_ivpoetm wrote

The amount of libertarians who claim other self-reported libertarians as nonlibertarian is so prevalent it is a meme, lol. I agree though libertarians should be that way(against any drug prohibition).

The gun issue is real, but I don't have a lot of worry about laws like that getting into NH politics in the short term.

In addition, I agree with vaccine mandates for public schools for healthy students. I also get prickly around the rhetoric thrown around for the mRNA vaccines. They are proven quite effective at preventing death at the very least. There has been a lot of politically charged rhetoric thrown around regarding them but it doesn't bare out. I don't think companies should necessarily be mandated to have workers be vaccinated to secure employment but again, I think the vaccines are good overall.

For the record I work in medical equipment manufacturing and have multiple close family in medicine. The doctor in my family advocated the vaccine the most and is the most conservative of us having been a Rush Limbaugh fan in their teenage years.

I don't support a general vaccine mandate. But it isn't a key issue for me.

Anyway, not here to defend democrats, I just hate the fascist election deniers. They can go to hell.

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pahnzoh t1_ivpswbf wrote

Oh I'm not really making a scientific claim about the vaccines. The record shows they worked initially and as the virus mutated it got more complicated from there.

My point was that I don't want the government forcing it on me. The same proponents of abortion also happen to be pro vaccine mandate. I find that to be intellectually dishonest. Even if it's good for you, the government still ought not do it. The same way they don't mandate diet and exercise, which a lack thereof has a massive adverse effect on health costs.

I think the election denier claims are silly and unfounded. But it's low on the chain of issues that I'd potentially vote on. The mistaken belief that the election was stolen is not being pushed as future legislation against my rights, which is something the Democrats are doing to a greater extent than most Republicans.

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Fuzzy-Scar3055 t1_ivpet42 wrote

Sununu decriminalized weed. Hassan as governor was against decrim and although she passed medical, it was very watered down and extremely conservative. Our MMJ program is shit as a result.

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skullpizza t1_ivpfjc3 wrote

Full recreational or nothing. And yeah, not all dems are for recreational either, I would argue more of them are though.

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ShortUSA t1_ivoypwo wrote

I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative, I think like most NH folks. The problem is that at the federal level neither party is fiscally conservative, not in the bills they pass. I'm more interested in actions not words and the fact is both parties are in a race to spend more more more. Both parties kowtow to global corporations, their biggest contributors. Both just pour tax dollars and debt to global corporations. But the Dems sometimes have the money run through average people's hands first, providing average for some benefit. The Republicans, always being ahead of the Dems, have long ago given up the facade of caring about the average American. Yeah, the words are otherwise, but the actions are clear.

The US has been in decline for decades due to this ever increasing serving of global corporations, and at most placating average Americans.

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pahnzoh t1_ivozpzo wrote

Yeah I agree both parties largely govern as one. But when you look at actual senate or house votes that set the two parties apart, it's clear that the Republicans are on average favoring limiting government, individual rights like the first and second amendment, judges that will uphold individual rights against the state, etc. If that's your goal, it is very counterintuitive to me how supporting a Democrat would accomplish that.

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ShortUSA t1_ivukstr wrote

There is nothing conservative about providing tax cuts, primarily to the wealthiest Americans, and dramatically increasing spending. Which is exactly what has happened, and generally all that was significant that happened, on each occasion Repubs had control over the past 35 years. In spite of the talk of the cuts increasing revenue, it was debatable the increases had anything to do with the cuts, and the increases never came close to catching up with spending, in effect the experience was one of increasing deficit. This started with Reagan, as documented by his economic advisors in a book they wrote after the presidency. That was in the days when conservative politicians actually cared about things like deficit spending, budgets, etc. How they care, but only as for the talking points to beat Democrats over the head with. Just look at a chart of deficit spending and you will see the greatest increases in Repubs have control. As a recent example, look at Trumps first two years. The Repubs had even greater majorities than the Dems do now, and they cut taxes and increased spending. I fear you're getting caught up in the words and politics. Repubs love to beat up Dems for spending, but in the last 40 years the generally the only spending Repubs fight is that for Americans. If the spending is for global corporations they are all in favor of it. If the tax cuts are for global corporations they are all over it. If the cuts are for Americans, such as payroll, etc, they fight them.

Favoring large corporations is not a Republican thing. Dems do it too. The difference is, as always, the Repubs are ahead of the Dems and are generally not attempting to help Americans. The Dems are still doing little things to placate Americans. The Repubs just do that not in actions but words. Both kowtowing to global corporations is systemic, in that the way our government operates causes that focus. Focus on global corporations due to their wealthiest owners and execs, industry groups, and lobbyists providing the bulk of money to politicians and their parties.

In a nutshell, neither party well represents Americans or even America, due to the system. One can't really win a federal seat if they spurn corporations, many of which are financially larger than most countries. The best recent evidence of this broken system is American picking alternative candidates: Trump, and while he didn't make it, Sanders. The odd thing is that average Americans of both parties are unhappy and seeking alternatives. And they are generally unhappy for the same reason, financially we're in a time when this generation is not doing as well as the previous. This is clear in the US's fall in standard of living relative to other countries, and fall in percentage of the global economy. The US has been in decline for at least 4 decades. And Americans are feeling the pinch, if not knowing why. The parties are taking advantage of the stress by suggesting the problem: immigration (when many more jobs were lost to automation, which is not discussed), over taxation, when pretty much all other countries have higher taxation, but that is changing. And distracting people from the corporate largess.

Why do Americans, who used to have some of the best prices in the world for most all products and services, now spend more than most citizens of other developed countries. Simple, the government supports it, as it is good for corporations. Rather than fostering competition and lower prices the government subsidizes outrageous pricing. This is no more evident in healthcare. And now Dems are making motions at fixing it, but even they are really not doing anything significant, they can't afford to lose the campaign and PAC money the healthcare industries contribute (insurance, Rx, hospitals, etc, etc). The Republicans don't even try, they talk about nonsensical things like cross state boarder competition for health insurance, when most of the insurance companies are in most all states. The real reason Republicans want this is at the behest of insurance companies who do not want to deal with individual states regulations - insurance regulation state controlled and pain for companies to deal with each state individually. I could go on and on, but I have already been too long.
No campaign finance reform, no joy.

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Fuzzy-Scar3055 t1_ivpb82g wrote

Yeah there are moron Trump supporters but the left is absolutely the more hate-filled side. Any hostility they have is warranted since the left wants a permanent political class to rule with authoritarianism.

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SheeEttin t1_ivo8q0f wrote

It hasn't. Republicans have gone off the deep end. The party has left the people, not the other way around.

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Theseus-Paradox t1_ivo72x6 wrote

The republican party has gone batshit insane, and the members in the party that “aren’t” absolutely insane refuse to even acknowledge or condemn the batshit insanity of their fellow republicans citing (it’s better than the dems/libtards!!1!1!). That right there is why people either left the party or why other people refuse to vote for them even if the democrats are lousy at the job they are doing.

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pahnzoh t1_ivodphi wrote

The Democrats are completely insane too and were drunk with power the last 3 years, yet the same logic doesn't apply to them?

Everyone just fights back and forth about the lesser of two evils every 2/4 years and the system always steams on in the long run, further expanding government power and restricting our rights one party at a time.

No one ever talks about the structural problems. I don't think our species will reach a level of self awareness during my lifetime to buck this slave mentality.

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Dramatic_Mechanic815 t1_ivop35k wrote

Drunk with power? They haven’t been able to push through some key legislation and had to compromise on the ones they did (as should be the case for whoever is the majority).

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pahnzoh t1_ivp3j61 wrote

Apparently you're not aware of the democrat state governors in places like NYvor CA, that locked their states down with assumed executive power for no justifiable reason during the covid scare of the last two years

But I wouldn't be shocked if you support that, in the current world.

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Dramatic_Mechanic815 t1_ivp3px8 wrote

I think “no justifiable reason” is pretty debatable early in the pandemic before we had enough masks, ventilators, medicine, staff, so on.

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glockster19m t1_ivo4jag wrote

People find it difficult to vote for the party that still supports the man who publicly announced his desire to become king of America

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seanwalter123 t1_ivo834c wrote

I’m die hard red, but I think trump had a major play in these elections and not in a good way. Everyone is over the guy, including this guy. He’s a bombastic egotistical half there nut who is incapable of reading the room anywhere. He endorsed candidates in states he had no business doing so. The guy can barely speak better than Biden. This party needs to move on from him, he has a insane following by 60% of the party all for “owning the libs” but his track record is half the reason we have sky high inflation right now. There’s much better republicans candidates that didn’t win their primaries, that would’ve had a much better shot at winning the mid terms.

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RickyDaytonaJr t1_ivo8mig wrote

You’ve apparently had quite a change in perspective since yesterday when you said in another sub that, “This is going to be the biggest landslide for republicans than Nixon, mark my words.”

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seanwalter123 t1_ivo9c2u wrote

Also one doesn’t even have to do with the other. I was wrong in my assumption but I thought this about trump years ago…

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seanwalter123 t1_ivo90nz wrote

I thought that, mostly because people are broke. But apparently hating trump supersedes that.

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Dramatic_Mechanic815 t1_ivooeft wrote

I’d hope most rational voters would realize that inflation isn’t a singular U.S. issue and a global phenomenon due to a lot of very different and complex reasons that many would struggle to understand without a degree or formal education in macroeconomics.

If it was “Biden’s fault” (ignoring the fact the most stimulus and deficit — i.e., government spending — was during Trump’s admin in 2020), then that wouldn’t explain why inflation is global and even worse in many other countries like the UK.

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lMickNastyl t1_ivp0tho wrote

It's because Dark Brandon blew up Nordstream 1. Assassinated queen Elizabeth and caused the UK conservatives to go through a double leadership crisis. Caused a massive refugee crisis in Ethiopia and tricked Putin into invading Ukraine.

We never stood a chance.

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lMickNastyl t1_ivozhwg wrote

That is why when bolduc won his primary and trump congratulated/endorsed him I immediately posted the news to this sub. It was at that moment it became obvious that bolduc was going to lose the support of NHs more rational voters.

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pahnzoh t1_ivodapn wrote

Trump is a fucking egomaniac and always has been. It's sad that he was the choice against Biden. Two old dudes one an egomaniac and the other senile, if that's not an indictment of the stupidity that is the voting system then I don't know what is.

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Dramatic_Mechanic815 t1_ivoo3qi wrote

Lol this is the 1% of what you say that I agree with. I’d appreciate more politicians below the age of 70, please, so they have a reasonable chance of living with the repercussions of their policies and actions.

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Full-Magazine9739 t1_ivppd2o wrote

As a Democrat, I strongly agree. It’s honestly backfiring and strengthened the Dems who should have lost both houses in this election (as generally happens in midterms- with a bad economy to boot).

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RickyDaytonaJr t1_ivo446o wrote

It’s the suburban towns around Manchester moving away from this version of the Republican Party. At their core, these towns are still Yankee republicans…not social conservative election deniers.

Chris Pappas just won Londonderry. Bedford, which was a R+30 town in the past, just elected two Democrat state reps. Critical thinking still exists in NH. That’s why so many people split the ticket to vote for Sununu (a sane Republican) and against the election denier crowd.

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Environmental-Job515 t1_ivobmk6 wrote

I think you have the right read. Levitt & Bolduc, deniers that could have won had they not joined the MAGA freak show is proof. Leavitt has disgraced the poli-science department at Saint Anselm and Bolduc, should be a good soldier and just fade away.

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SunAndBlueSkies t1_ivodjbh wrote

Shitty Republican candidates. In my view, NH is a moderate Republican or moderate Democrat state. Put up good moderate Republican candidates and they will do well, unlike these POS they have running now.

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hardsoft t1_ivofr64 wrote

The primary system is broken in my opinion. It draws out more extreme candidates and then you had Democrats funding advertisement for those candidates because they know they'll be easier to beat.

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-Codfish_Joe t1_ivowc51 wrote

If NH has gotten more liberal, it's because what people call conservative has gone very far off the map. If you don't account for that, it makes reasonable people look like they're moving left.

If you don't translate "Live Free or Die" as "I want to be left alone and I approve of other people being left alone", then you're an authoritarian who is lying to yourself. If that looks left wing, then again, it's only because of how crazy the far right has gotten.

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Bahariasaurus t1_ivo6thi wrote

Disclaimer: I am a Masshole who hangs out in NH a lot.

NH was always more of a Libertarian Republican/maybe Mitt Romney style neo-con Republican. Generally, people gravitated towards low taxes and personal freedom. Most of the candidates the DNC fields are closer to Mitt Romney than the people the GOP puts forward these days. TLDR: The GOP has shifted right, which means NH looks more purple.

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WinsingtonIII t1_ivomikt wrote

Should also probably be mentioned that NH is one of the most educated states in the country by percentage of adults with a college degree (8th highest in the nation).

Trump performs poorly with white voters with college degrees relative to other Republican candidates historically (even compared to his own performance among college-educated white voters in 2016 he lost support in 2020), and it seems like GOP candidates who associate themselves closely with Trump also perform poorly with them: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-election-swing-state-biden-trump-coalition/?leadSource=uverify%20wall

Which is a bad combination for a pro-Trump Republican candidate in NH since there are a lot of white college-educated voters in NH. A more moderate Republican like Sununu doesn't suffer from the same issue and can win in NH fairly easily.

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ShortUSA t1_ivp0sau wrote

Exactly! NH is largely fiscally conservative and socially liberal. In other words, keep government lean and get out of peoples personal lives. Republicans generally always win with this position, but as of late far too many Republicans have been nosing into people's lives: gay people, womens reproduction, marijuana users, etc. Avoid that shit (and don't demonstrate you're insane - a recent Repub problem) and Rs will never lose in NH. They just can't help themselves.

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StylinBill t1_ivpu4tq wrote

Conservative moving so far right has made it easier for regular people to vote dem since regular sane people are against fascism

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strangerflower t1_ivqx29y wrote

I think this is the most likely answer. The right has gone extreme right and the left has also gone right.

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smartest_kobold t1_ivo9fo0 wrote

That's not a great way to look at it.

We're an aging state and the national Republican party can't stay away from fucking with social security and Medicare.

Locally Republicans win because there's a lot of incentive to keep the state a tax shelter.

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occasional_cynic t1_ivo56xz wrote

Republicans keep fielding terrible whackjob candidates.

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Able_Cunngham603 t1_ivp7oyg wrote

You question is based on a false premise. Pretty much every Republican running in this race was an election-denying, Trump-supporting MAGAdiot.

The only Republican running who has his head screwed on (relatively) straight is Sununu and he won by the biggest margin out of any of the races.

NH has not gone more left; democrats won because they were the lesser of two evils this time around.

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MantaurStampede t1_ivrg3b1 wrote

Sununu has 57%. Kuster had 56. Pappas and Hassan 53+%. It's not a discernible difference. The state has been blue for like 12 years.

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No_Jury6098 t1_ivofcj0 wrote

WE CANT AFFORD DON BOLDUC!!!!!

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Plenty-Bit2029 t1_ivogzbd wrote

If you can't afford bolduc, you definitely can't afford the alternative, unfortunately!

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andrejean1983 t1_ivqw2bt wrote

It hasn’t, the right has just gone off a cliff

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xSpatulax t1_ivr6cji wrote

We’re getting more educated

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Recent_Record t1_ivo5is9 wrote

NH is not a big fan of Trump, but besides Sununu, the trump people won all the primaries.

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the_ricktacular_mort t1_ivopysn wrote

Imagine if Bernie had won the primary in 2016 and then the presidency. The democratic party would be far more left than it is today. The national party would have felt constrained by a not-so-small and very vocal minority.

That's basically what the republicans are dealing with currently, on both a national and state level.

On a state level, instead of embracing and building on the staggering success of Chis Sununu, the NHGOP fights him at every turn. Keren Testerman talks like it's 1950 and Joe McCarthy is still in charge.

Given Georgia, Pennsylvania, likely Arizona, and of course Buldoc here in New Hampshire, this election turned out to be a second referendum on Trump. In almost every major race where he got involved, his candidate lost. It could be argued that he lost Republicans control of the Senate, but even if other factors were more important, he sure as hell didn't help.

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[deleted] t1_ivp02vx wrote

Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America. Medicare for All is supported by a majority of Republican voters. If Democrats focused on kitchen table issues and dropped the woke BS like Bernie's campaign tried to do, they'd likely have a supermajority right about now. Democrats dominated American politics for 40 years when they were the party supporting expansion of the New Deal.

These corporate shills like Hassan, who want you to own nothing and be happy, are the reason Republicans even have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected. Missouri just voted to legalize cannabis. Kentucky just voted to uphold abortion rights. The GOP platform is wildly unpopular. America is not a conservative country.

The problem is, Democrats are controlled opposition and America is a flawed democracy. Opposing fascism is somewhat popular, I guess, but ~50% is weak AF compared to the 70% approval of Bernie Sanders' main policy ideas.

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StylinBill t1_ivpvvs5 wrote

“Dropped the woke BS” found another person terrified of spooky pronouns. How hard is it to let people be who they are it would affect you maybe .00005% of the time

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the_ricktacular_mort t1_ivp1byi wrote

Idk what fantasy land you're living in, but whenever you feel like returning to reality, there's an open seat.

I agree that the socially conservative aspects of the republican party are deeply unpopular, but Bernie is wayyyyy further left than most people are comfortable with.

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[deleted] t1_ivp2g4v wrote

Bernie as a private citizen is a democratic socialist. I agree, that's a lot further left than this country would support.

Bernie as a senator is a social democrat, and the policy ideas he put forth are wildly popular.

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Sweaty-Algae-6811 t1_ivr5v9r wrote

A simple look at the NH electoral map shows the southern border towns are mostly red. Many of the northern and western towns voted blue. While Mass transplants are often here for more land, more open space, lower taxes. many also come to leave the People's Republic. I believe that NH Conservatives actually are exactly that, Conservative. They reject the Trump, very not Conservative, yahoos. It's a mistake to believe that people who chose to not vote for an election denier or a defender of an insurrectionist are not conservative. They voted this way BECAUSE they're conservative.

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AMC4x4 t1_ivu3ewz wrote

This makes so much sense. I was telling someone yesterday that the Trump party can no longer call themselves conservatives. Conservatives do not believe in CHAOS. The GOP under Trump has become the chaos party. Last night, voters voted for less chaos across the country, except for Florida and a couple other pockets here and there.

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[deleted] t1_ivoyy6v wrote

The better question is, why did it take so long? Why did the political trajectories differ so dramatically between VT and NH? VT was the reddest state in the country in the 1980s. NH is currently tied with VT for being the least religious state in the country. There's French influence that still endures in pockets of the state. I'm unsure what the hell the modern Republican party is supposed to offer NH.

The narratives around migration are so braindead, too. A majority of NH residents were not born in NH. People move for a lot of reasons. It's a free country. Unless you're severely mentally ill, politics is probably not the primary reason you move to a new state.

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SkiingAway t1_ivp5iqt wrote

> The narratives around migration are so braindead, too. A majority of NH residents were not born in NH. People move for a lot of reasons. It's a free country. Unless you're severely mentally ill, politics is probably not the primary reason you move to a new state.

I'll also note the % not born in NH was basically steady for 1990-2012 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/upshot/where-people-in-each-state-were-born.html#New_Hampshire.

I don't think it's changed much since.

So I don't think it really explains political trends in the past few decades very well.

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[deleted] t1_ivp95fb wrote

Yeah. This current hybrid/WFH wave that people love to hate on social media is not a novel phenomenon either. There was a large influx of liberal tech workers to southern NH in the 1980s and 1990s too.

It's funny as hell to me, because my uncle made the same move as I did, for similar but independent reasons, just 30 years before I did. Tech jobs are concentrated north and west of Boston. Very little work to be found south of Boston. We didn't start the fire!

If this was some moronic ideological sorting process, I'd live where my brother does and vice-versa. But he'd take a massive paycut moving to NH. There's a lot more union work in his trade south of Boston. How much is the average person willing to pay to have a red asshole in charge instead of a blue asshole? The vast majority of people don't care that much about these stupid elections.

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chait1199 t1_ivpkuw4 wrote

The idea that NH is becoming more liberal because of Mass transplants is verifiably incorrect. Any semblance of voting patterns in ANY election from the past ten years suggest that the native NH population has moved more towards the Dems as the GOP moves further right. The Mass transplants are almost without a doubt the most consistently Conservative voting bloc in the state.

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Garfish16 t1_ivqy4u9 wrote

In my opinion a lot of it has to do with backlash against the libertarians. Everyone hates them so much.

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Full-Magazine9739 t1_ivpowgq wrote

You’re seeing what I would call the “red mirage” after this election. The extreme shift of the GOP after the last presidential cycle has taken the party very far out of step with the electorate in much of the country. Remember, Trump did not win the popular vote in either election. As a Democrat, I see this as good news in the short run. Part of the issue is that the primary process is inherently very flawed- it produces bad candidates on both sides that appeal to the most ideologically extreme part of the party that bother to vote in primaries. I think the RCV that Maine and Alaska is an antidote to this and allows for more broadly appealing candidates like Collins and Murkowksi, even though that may be bad if you’re a democrat.

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AstraMilanoobum t1_ivs9i36 wrote

I mean, NH has only backed the republican presidential candidate once (2000, Bush) since 1992. We are definitely a more moderate state but we’ve had a blue Slant for decades now and we’re only getting more blue. NH loves it’s moderated which is why Sunnunu can succeed while a more extreme candidate like Bolduc gets smoked

It’s also not because of people moving here, NH natives under 40 are majority left leaning

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SasquatchGroomer t1_ivp6soh wrote

I don't think New Hampshire's gone particularly to the left. Both major parties seem to have drifted further towards their extremes. What you see in New Hampshire politics is largely more moderate candidates winning elections at the state level. Over the past 20 years, our governors have traditionally been moderates, weather Democrat or Republican. Our US senators have tended to be on the moderate side as well regardless of party affiliation.

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Maldonian t1_ivoo5eo wrote

While I respect everyone’s opinion in the responses, and good points have been made, they all seem to be anecdotes. I even have some ideas of my own.

But, I wonder if anyone has any hard data. I think that would be a lot more interesting.

I wonder if there’s any demographic data available. Something that would mark NH left/right voters by age, whether they were born in NH or moved in from elsewhere (and if so, their reason for their move), whether or not they voted for a different party/policies 10 years ago, etc.

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valleyman02 t1_ivos5yc wrote

The hard data is there are 400 billionaires playing with our lives. And we the people are losing badly

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Maldonian t1_ivosh4t wrote

That sounds more like an opinion. I respect your opinion, but do you have any data that answers the actual question?

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valleyman02 t1_ivotqtn wrote

That is hard data. Look at how much money was spent in politics today versus 20 years ago. I heard on the news that over a billion dollars was spent by both sides on just a top five Senate races. In a midterm. So 2 billion on 5 races.

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WapsuSisilija t1_ivp6uqc wrote

And guess which side most of the billionaires are on..

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valleyman02 t1_ivp9igt wrote

You know they hedge their bets and actually give money to both sides right? They're on one side the money side. Which is great for money. but not so great for people.

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Federal-Cockroach-62 t1_ivprxbq wrote

As a republican in NH, I think it’s more that we have indeed shifted left, but the party put up absolutely terrible candidates. If Sununu would have run for Senator, he would have surely won. Bolduc and Karoline were voted in by the left in the primary because they were easy marks. Good strategy and good execution.

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Roovinawitz t1_ivroshx wrote

Because of people moving to the state, younger people being generally more left, and the entire country is that way. Zoom out of new Hampshire and the trend is clear.

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9thgrave t1_ivrud78 wrote

Much like on the national scale, NH Zoomers finally got their say and they've been repeatedly shown to lean left on all issues when polled/surveyed. It's a trend I foresee repeating itself come 2024.

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BoringAccountName78 OP t1_ivo7248 wrote

This is some interesting research here.

This may back up my original theory:

https://scholarship.claremont.edu/cmc_theses/1272/?fbclid=IwAR1HP7GvE3a9OcZmEobhp-vMyb68RzYwT2QhzL5dQFVyD1akFwPl19xlcdo

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thread100 t1_ivq33y6 wrote

I have no evidence but the incumbent’s have such an advantage in name recognition. I really wonder if we give the average voter too much credit on the level of knowing the positions of who they are voting for. I admit, I don’t know every name on the ballot. Obviously, the incumbent governor winning and the incumbent house and senate winning means plenty of folks voted for both Democrats and Republican.

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Omelettedufromage14 t1_ivqcw0f wrote

on a local level, NH is still extremely red. i’m not sure what you’re talking about beyond the federal house and senate seats…

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SkiingAway t1_ivrjugd wrote

NH House is set to be a near dead heat - initial official call is 203R-197D with multiple races reportedly going to recounts. We could see control of the chamber flipping back and forth as vacancies/resignations happen over the term.

State Senate + Exec Council are just gerrymandering for why they're not close, it has nothing to do with the actual vote totals.

As example, the Executive Council looks like it'll be 4R-1D....but that's just because they packed the Dems into District 2. The cumulative vote totals for all the races combined (WMUR #'s) are currently sitting at...284,613R-283,074D. Barely a 1,500 vote difference statewide.

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seanwalter123 t1_ivrbuup wrote

No one of taking about those races which are arguably more important lol

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bilug335 t1_ivrifkt wrote

It's time for Bolduc to eat a chip!

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koidrieyez t1_ivoqr3s wrote

I read somewhere several years ago that NH had a law that if you were planning to move there you can vote in NH elections. Is that rue and if so is it still the case?

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CDogNH t1_ivo74go wrote

Invasion on 2 fronts; from the south and west.

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Ordinary_Variation10 t1_ivqapru wrote

NH needs some GOP candidates who are not nuts. I voted all red this round, but I’d be lying if I said I liked the candidates. While I fully support the over turning of R v W, it’s because of state rights. I fundamentally have an issue with banning abortions. It’s none of the governments business what a women decides to do.

Both sides have gone to such extremes it’s just stupid. The two party system needs to end.

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Clamd t1_ivrlg1z wrote

"government shouldn't get to ban abortion! Anyways i voted for the guy who would, in government, ban abortion. Both sides!".

Good job bud. Class act.

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ScottieWP t1_ivr7z0k wrote

I feel like "both sides are so extreme" is a false dichotomy, especially with the Democratic candidates that were on the statewide ballot in NH. Care to provide any examples?

Also, yes, I agree we need to remove first past the post and get ranked choice voting.

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Doug_Shoe t1_ivp195d wrote

  1. People moving here from out of state.
  2. People moving here from out of state.
  3. People moving here from out of state.
  4. Leftists taking control of the schools and indoctrinating the youth
  5. Leftists taking control of the media and brainwashing people with constant, brain-numbing propaganda.
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thenagain11 t1_ivpdst1 wrote

This isn't even true tho. Most of the massholes moving in are Republicans looking for lower taxes. Look at the border towns where the commuters live- especially in the south east. Rockingham County has always been red leaning.

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Doug_Shoe t1_ivpe4nl wrote

I've been watching it in real time for decades.

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thenagain11 t1_ivpegfg wrote

Same...do you even spend time in the border regions? Most massholes transplants i meet are Republicans

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Doug_Shoe t1_ivpf9eo wrote

I have the opposite experience so I posted my opinion (above) as an answer to the OP's question. I don't claim infallibility.

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StylinBill t1_ivpv0s6 wrote

Imagine complaining about the left “indoctrinating the youth” while supporting psychos who want to stop teaching actual history, ban books because they might contain spooky gay people, pretend slavery didn’t exist, teach students the bible instead of science etc

Insanity

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Doug_Shoe t1_ivpyz3i wrote

derp derp.

Not complaining. I was literally answering a question when asked. The OP asked why NH is becoming more left leaning. I told him why IMO.

You respond with a theoretical situation you feared would happen if an individual was elected, who wasn't elected.

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th3c00l1 t1_ivp3p0z wrote

I know change is hard, big guy. Seems to me there’s still plenty of MAGA cult media out there to please your pleasure centers.

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Doug_Shoe t1_ivp3xmx wrote

???

Someone asked a question and I answered the person.

If you don't like reading it, you don't have to. The safe space is right there for you to flee into. Got a binky and everythin

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th3c00l1 t1_ivp7p27 wrote

Hmmmm yes maybe take a look at your ‘answer’ again… check out those spicy neo-fascist propaganda points. Did daddy Tucker or Alex spoon feed those to you? Sorry there bud, but you seem to be a bit triggered. Change is happening, I know it’s hard to comprehend.

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Doug_Shoe t1_ivp7zvi wrote

??? I literally gave someone my opinion when specifically asked.

You can't stand the fact that I'm talking to someone (not you). So you have to butt in and call me names. You can't emotionally deal with the fact that I exist. But I'm the one who is triggered. oksure

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Able_Cunngham603 t1_ivp7xt0 wrote

The race for this year’s Dunning-Kruger award is heating up 🔥! Keep it up Doug, you got this!

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Doug_Shoe t1_ivp8om0 wrote

Psychology is a field of science. -not that you would know.

Let's say (in theory, as a thought experiment) that over the last few decades New Hampshire had been becoming more and more Muslim until today is was mostly Muslim. If I could point to (1) many Muslims coming here from Muslim areas of the world, (2) most of our teachers being Muslim, and (3) most media owned and run by Muslims, then I think most people here would "get it." Or we could insert any group with a belief system. But the reality is that it's your own group, so you can't see it.

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Able_Cunngham603 t1_ivp9pj5 wrote

Standing tall on a mountain of stupid! 🏔

I am the world’s leading scientist in my field, and have lived in the Granite State my entire life. So, like usual, you are making statements based on a lack of knowledge, research, and/or understanding.

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Doug_Shoe t1_ivpanyq wrote

Are you "the world's leading scientist" in the field of Bigfoot? LOL!

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Doug_Shoe t1_ivpgatx wrote

Do you have published, peer-reviewed papers? If so please link to some of them.

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Doug_Shoe t1_ivq1zdr wrote

This is my favorite exchange in a long time. You claim I win the Dunning-Kruger award while identifying yourself as the world's leading scientist in your field. Irony?

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Able_Cunngham603 t1_ivq5eob wrote

I could explain, but that would be like explaining physics to … well, my shoe. I can explain but I can’t make it understand.

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Doug_Shoe t1_ivqi3of wrote

oh, and by the way- You are a pompous ass.

Enjoy the imaginary fame.

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Doug_Shoe t1_ivq6g98 wrote

That's a lie. A real scientist could simply point to his work. You can't. -Because you're not.

AND - If you were actually the top scientist in a field then a simple Google search would produce all kinds of results. But nothin. I even searched academic works. Nothin.

Perhaps the Dunning-Kruger award goes to you, my friend.

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Doug_Shoe t1_ivpabql wrote

Yes you are a legend in your own mind.

You can't carelessly throw out wild scientific claims like so much trash and at the same time expect me to believe you are seriously devoted to it.

You are self-refuting.

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valleyman02 t1_ivp8dun wrote

Fact .04% of New Hampshire's population moved here in the last decade. That's 68,000 in the last 10 years. The lefties are coming for you! You may need medication.

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