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Tullyswimmer t1_ivps09b wrote

Reply to comment by KingShitOfTurdIsland in Trump blames Bolduc's loss on election denial flip-flopping. by lMickNastyl

> It’s our own fault for nominating a candidate that enjoys controversy

It's also exactly what the Democrats tried to ensure happened.

https://nypost.com/2022/09/12/democrats-spend-53m-to-boost-far-right-gop-candidates/

They got what they wanted alright. As long as Trumpism remains a thing, they don't need to convince anyone on policy. So they're going to do everything they can to make sure that Trumpism doesn't die out, because if people had to vote on policy and governance rather than fear, the Democrats would have gotten slaughtered this cycle.

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AKBigDaddy t1_ivpzr2x wrote

> because if people had to vote on policy and governance rather than fear, the Democrats would have gotten slaughtered this cycle.

They have to vote based on candidates, and 100% the democrats did everything they could to help the nutters on the right, the voters still selected them in the primaries. If the republicans stopped supporting the nutters, and the party itself actually did everything they could to distance themselves from Trump, it would die out and the democrats wouldn't be able to leverage it nearly as effectively.

You're exactly right that as long as Trumpism remains a thing democrats don't have to run on policy. They just have to run on "not affiliated with or endorsed by Trump" to win elections in the majority of the country.

It's a goddamn shame too, because when there's legitimate, spirited debate about whats best for the country, we all win. But when half the government is too busy shouting about how trump got robbed and the democrats want kids to be able to use litter boxes in schools, and the other half is spending more time pointing out the idiocy than they are governing, we're all being fucked.

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Tullyswimmer t1_ivq0evg wrote

> You're exactly right that as long as Trumpism remains a thing democrats don't have to run on policy. They just have to run on "not affiliated with or endorsed by Trump" to win elections in the majority of the country.

And the Democrats have shown that they don't WANT to run on policy by their actions.

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AKBigDaddy t1_ivqd42p wrote

Right now it would be suicide. The debates would be like chess with a pidgeon, and there's no way they come out looking good to the independents. Hard core right winger's would get the soundbites, despite having nothing of substance to say, by basically being outrageous. This will inflame their base "because they're just like us", and the independents would focus on the fact that the democrat isn't getting as many 'gotcha' points as the republican, despite the republican not focusing on any viable policy. When you have 2 people debating actual policy, then the people can make an informed decision.

The path we're on now will get herbert mountain dew camacho in the fucking presidency in a few years.

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Low-Head-1493 t1_ivqqbdh wrote

I know shit’s bad right now with all the starvin’ bullshit. And the dust storms. And we runnin’ out of French fries and burrito toppings. But I got a solution…

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TheMobyDicks t1_ivptpfa wrote

>if people had to vote on policy and governance rather than fear, the Democrats would have gotten slaughtered this cycle

Historically, this is 100% accurate.

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asuds t1_ivpuymx wrote

I am going to disagree with you there as the majority of Americans appear to actually favor the policies the Democrats generally propose. It's the GOP Leadership that has convinced them otherwise.

e.g. Paid Family Leave, Medicare Expansion (happening often by ballot initiatives *over* republic objection), etc. See https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/majority-of-americans-support-progressive-policies-such-as-paid-maternity-leave-free-college.html

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lMickNastyl OP t1_ivpyl2m wrote

Voting rights expansion, net neutrality, lower drug costs, universal firearm background checks, lower cost daycare, consumer rights advocation, aggressive environment protection....etc.

These aren't controversial ideas people.

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