Submitted by uzernaimed t3_yrxrn6 in newhampshire
RexBlackwood t1_ivxliym wrote
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
George Orwell, 1984
KipBong-un t1_iw233p7 wrote
r/readanotherbook
Curious4NotGood t1_iw0klrl wrote
Unironically quoting George Orwell as if he would be a transphobe, he was progressive and definitely saw trans people as who they are.
Puzzlesocks t1_iw35orf wrote
It's one thing to see someone as just another human who is trans. It's quite another to pretend a man is actually a woman to the point of giving them money meant for women's scholarships. I'm not scholar of Orwell, but I'm pretty certain he's be against calling things what they obviously aren't.
Just imagine how it feels for those girls to be basically told they are less attractive than an obese man in a dress? It's not that long ago that this would have been a gigantic insult to women, now I guess it's seen as "progress".
Curious4NotGood t1_iw3kso2 wrote
>It's quite another to pretend a man is actually a woman to the point of giving them money meant for women's scholarships.
They are women, so they deserve those scholarships, but i'm pretty sure that's not a huge issue.
>I'm not scholar of Orwell, but I'm pretty certain he's be against calling things what they obviously aren't.
I'm pretty sure he would, he was pretty progressive, but we will never know.
>Just imagine how it feels for those girls to be basically told they are less attractive than an obese man in a dress?
They probably feel happy for that other girl, literally no one except you has an issue with that.
> It's not that long ago that this would have been a gigantic insult to women, now I guess it's seen as "progress".
Yes, it is progress, trans women are being able to not only participate, but also win these competitions. The freedom of society can only be measured by how we treat its most stigmatized people.
xxl_gal t1_iw95pd8 wrote
>They are women, so they deserve those scholarships
THIS
Puzzlesocks t1_iw3rh46 wrote
Sure, we can just forget the literal mountain of evidence showing how men are not women /s. It's one thing to say that these scholarships are discriminating based off sex/race/whatever, but when you start trying to ignore the obvious reality then you're off your rocker. I just want to be clear that what you are pretending is true is completely and totally baseless. It's progress for sure, but more in the sense that cancer progresses.
I'm not going to waste time arguing with your ideological foundation, but I highly recommend you don't speak on these subjects until you have ANY proof of theory.
This pageant is a private affair I believe. They can run it how they want, but they can't control how people react to it, nor the actual reality. I can hold a competition to say blue is the best shade of red, but it doesn't change the fact that these are different wavelengths.
Curious4NotGood t1_iw3saal wrote
>Sure, we can just forget the literal mountain of evidence showing how men are not women /s
You consider trans women as "men" just like how racists considered black women as "too mannish" and subsequently segregated them.
>I just want to be clear that what you are pretending is true is completely and totally baseless.
Which part? Pretty sure it is backed up by most medical organizations that sex and gender are separate, so males can be women and females can be men.
>I'm not going to waste time arguing with your ideological foundation, but I highly recommend you don't speak on these subjects until you have ANY proof of theory.
I have a lot of experience on this subject, i used to transition :D
>I can hold a competition to say blue is the best shade of red, but it doesn't change the fact that these are different wavelengths.
Yeah, but humans are not as simple as different wavelengths of light are they?
Puzzlesocks t1_iw420sq wrote
False equivocation doesn't work on me. If you want to try being manipulative, go do it to someone else. It doesn't help your argument nor provide any evidence. Sex and gender being separate is true, but just means guys can be feminine and girls can be masculine. It does not mean that these things are arbitrary categorizations.
I mean if you actually are trans, you should know better than anyone that we call these "treatments" feminizing and masculinizing for a reason. You aren't changing your sex, you are changing how you appear to others. You don't get to destroy other peoples protected categories without reprisal just because of your feelings.
Curious4NotGood t1_iw43fz7 wrote
> Sex and gender being separate is true, but just means guys can be feminine and girls can be masculine.
Nope, it means males can be women, and females can be men.
https://www.coe.int/en/web/gender-matters/sex-and-gender
https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/48642.html
>It does not mean that these things are arbitrary categorizations.
They are
>I mean if you actually are trans, you should know better than anyone that we call these "treatments" feminizing and masculinizing for a reason.
That's just faulty naming, feminizing is a biological term, while being feminine is a behavior. Unless you think all feminine men have vaginas.
>You aren't changing your sex, you are changing how you appear to others.
You're changing a lot of your sex as well, sex is a lotta things, primary sex characterestics (chromosomes, hormones, organs) and secondary characterestics (body fat ratio, metabolism, hair growth, voice, breast growth, etc).
And every one of them changes with hormones and surgery except for chromosomes.
>You don't get to destroy other peoples protected categories without reprisal just because of your feelings.
Exactly, trans women deserve the same as cis women, because trans women are women, regardless of how you feel about it.
Puzzlesocks t1_iw4cny6 wrote
So, the Canadian link agrees with me except it makes a caveat that gender can change how it's expressed depending on different factors, again true. That's completely different from saying it doesn't exist. It doesn't mean they are arbitrary and can be changed at will to whatever you want. All it ends up meaning is that you are swimming against a torrential waterfall of evidence against you so you can try to convince society that men and women aren't different. Good luck with that.
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The UK link you sent me is utopian dogma. I mean seriously? "SDGs are a universal call to action to end poverty, protect the planet and ensure that all people enjoy peace and prosperity by 2030". They got 7 years to establish world peace, destroy capitalism, end climate change, and destroy observable reality. I guess I wish them luck?
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As for the third link from the council of Europe... it specifically states that the new usage of the word gender is meant to fight against biological determinism. While I disagree with what some proponents of biological determinism state (in the same way I disagree on the trans issue, people drawing causation from correlation), you would be incredibly ignorant on these topics to think genetics doesn't play a role in literally everything about you. Your lack of ANY biological knowledge is actually mind blowing to me.
I know I won't change your mind, and I don't intend to respond again to a militant ideologue. I just want to suggest you really think about your actions and read The Art of War. The way you activist types are going about this is at best a 50/50 shot of self destruction, but more than likely you're just going to radicalize people to the point that whatever imagined violence you see now is going to turn much more real and much more harsh. Your dogmatic attitude is going to hurt untold numbers of uninvolved and very real people, and I intend to fight it so long as it exists.
Curious4NotGood t1_iw6h4w8 wrote
If you disagree with scientific evidence, doesn't make the evidence not true.
Then_Ear t1_ivxnnb0 wrote
I have more of an issue with the fact that she is fat and ugly, then that she used to be a man.
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