Submitted by alexkourtis t3_z1oszv in newhampshire
Hello, I live in Athens, Greece. My dream for the past couple years is to move to NH. I'm about to graduate in 2 semesters...
How can I move to NH forever 😁?
Thank you
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Sufficient-Eye-7400 t1_ixc5g93 wrote
Come in through Mexico…… free at last
smartest_kobold t1_ixc72an wrote
Why New Hampshire specifically?
KiloCharlie11 t1_ixc8hgb wrote
alexkourtis OP t1_ixc8q2q wrote
im a libertarian... ive always wanted to come to the US as far back as i can remember... and i chose NH when i was 17-18... now im 24.... its always been one of my dreams : )
you are very lucky you are americans
farts_in_the_breeze t1_ixc9zbs wrote
Since you're uninformed, the Canadian border has more illegal crossings than the Mexican border.
Roberto_Rico t1_ixcb5u9 wrote
Interesting. Where can I find reputable proof of this?
Jean-Paul_Sartre t1_ixcclrv wrote
Yeah give it a few years, I was a libertarian at your age too but then adulthood set in.
glockster19m t1_ixcco68 wrote
Ehh, official statistics say about 76 thousand across the southern border and 57 thousand across the northern, although if you count the 26 thousand people that cross illegally from the US into Canada as well I guess it's more
Foreign-Concept t1_ixcdb7p wrote
You can apply for a school transfer (UNH, SNHU etc), school will give you a student visa. "Forever" a big commitment, the visa will give you a chance to live here and see if you like it.
alexkourtis OP t1_ixcdeo3 wrote
Yea i know what you mean actually... I'm not full on libertarian tbh ... I believe in the importance of the state... but generally speaking i want to live in a freer place.. Greece is unfortunately an extremely Communist society and not in the good way like north Europe.. I feel my heart's calling telling me to leave this place and go somewhere where i belong...
alexkourtis OP t1_ixcdgd0 wrote
Why the downvotes?
5nd t1_ixcepor wrote
Reddit is dominated by leftoids
[deleted] t1_ixcfhif wrote
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farts_in_the_breeze t1_ixcfprq wrote
Illegal crossings are illegal crossings.
Wonder why they worry so much about Mexico, when Canada is closer? Wonder what it could be?
powpowpowpowpowp t1_ixcgml3 wrote
While I don’t know that any legal path to immigrating here is easy, coming here as a graduate student might be a good start. Graduate programs are often more heavily focused on job placement which could help get you set up with employment in NH after school. That being said, I knew a number of international students with graduate degrees from Dartmouth that couldn’t find sponsorship and had to move back, so it’s not a guarantee.
thenagain11 t1_ixcgr17 wrote
Do some research on the "free state project" before moving. Lot of us native New Hampshirites aren't crazy about the idea.
smartest_kobold t1_ixchf1i wrote
How much do you think it costs in America to fill a cavity?
YouAreHardtoImagine t1_ixchuhc wrote
Watch 90 Day Fiancé? /s
lellololes t1_ixcilfe wrote
You can also earn more money in the southern part of the state. Particularly if you work in MA...
WapsuSisilija t1_ixcishl wrote
Different shades of opinion?
Low-Head-1493 t1_ixckcg0 wrote
Because we are tired of libertarians thinking that they can move here, use tax payer-funded roads, vote to gut public services, and tell everyone that they are libertarian every chance they get.
iamthepandaman t1_ixcn6rk wrote
US immigration is difficult. Honestly if you don’t have a career that makes you eligible for an H1B visa I don’t know what options you have coming from Europe. Even with an H1B eligibility, it can be difficult. Unlike most places, in the US you need to first get a job and then apply for the visa, all before actually coming here to work legally. Most countries are the other way around, where you get the work visa then apply for a job
overdoing_it t1_ixcn8mw wrote
Marry a citizen that's the easy way in.
Gay marriage counts now too.
Instant green card, 3 years to citizenship.
whatisgoingon007 t1_ixcpaxc wrote
What do you plan on doing for a living? That will probably be the most important factor. If you’re a barista then the US probably won’t let you in but if you’re a doctor then you probably have a good shot.
TheMobyDicks t1_ixcq9tu wrote
Two things.
#1 Research the Free State Project before calling yourself a libertarian. The movement here is erratic and useless. I think you just want to live in a "free-er" state, which New Hampshire absolutely is. So, if you can pull it off, good on ya.
#2 We have a massive workforce crisis in this state, so getting a job shouldn't be as difficult as others are espousing. H1B is the way. Success all depends on what field you aspire to. What are you currently studying? Once we know that we may be able to make specific suggestions.
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Rare_Message_7204 t1_ixcw5t6 wrote
Costs me $30 to $40 out of pocket with insurance.....
vexingsilence t1_ixcwci4 wrote
"We" who? It's a purple state, no one speaks for all granite staters.
Rare_Message_7204 t1_ixcwk42 wrote
Ignore the downvotes. You're trying to move away from a place where liberal policies have failed. The liberals of reddit can't stand listening to someone who has lived it and truly knows better.
chevyadsict83 t1_ixcx03g wrote
We are full up here. I suggest Massachusetts
shoesontoes t1_ixcxr23 wrote
It's real cold though
Qbncgr t1_ixcyce0 wrote
Illegal crossings from Canada to US are significantly less than the southern border.
thenagain11 t1_ixcyizi wrote
Getting a job isn't the hard part. Finding housing you can afford with that job is the pain.
Puzzleheaded_Okra_21 t1_ixcypae wrote
No human beings are illegal and borders are just imaginary lines on a map.
Roberto_Rico t1_ixcyu6w wrote
Makes sense to me. Thanks. So much for alternate facts...
vscduebr t1_ixczfq2 wrote
No one on reddit supports anything but extreme left wing thinking, atleast on these smaller subreddits comments like yours and mine will last a few hours before they get downvote bombed. Like another comment mentioned, they cant handle seeing someone trying to escape out of the policies they are trying so desperately to convert our ‘free state’ into.
thread100 t1_ixczhr6 wrote
R/sudenlygay
Puzzleheaded_Okra_21 t1_ixczs05 wrote
There is no "massive workforce crisis" if you aren't seriously taking jobs with non-livable wages ($15 or less in 2022) into account.
alexkourtis OP t1_ixczuc0 wrote
I have heard of the free state project but it was a long time ago and didn't bother to look it up now... Had this preconceived notion that it died out
Bake_jouchard t1_ixd0cdb wrote
Which means the jobs arnt paying living wages
thenagain11 t1_ixd1976 wrote
our tax structure simply relies too heavily on property taxes which is slowly strangling all but the rich and upper middle class. You could raise everyone's wages and all that would happen is taxes and property values would rise with it. We need to reform the way we fund our towns and state infrastructure. We can't afford it as it is and it's going to kill our economy in the next 10-15 years without change.
Rizingfire t1_ixd40pi wrote
If a libertarian id suggest going more South & find a red state where you can enjoy freedom without always being on the verge of losing it.
Besides our Governor, we just re-elected some of the worst anti-freedom pieces of garbage to represent our state in the House & Senate...they just spend millions on campaigns of lies to trick stupid people & it works...
Plus the weather can be challenging up here...
anotherposter76 t1_ixd4d3t wrote
Cold and beautiful! Skiing, snowshoeing, ice skating.. you just have to stay moving
anotherposter76 t1_ixd4jgg wrote
Please, please don’t listen to any dinks in this sub about politics. It’s tainted and toxic af. Just do your own research and try not to rush to judgments
anotherposter76 t1_ixd4kpq wrote
Please, please don’t listen to any dinks in this sub about politics. It’s tainted and toxic af. Just do your own research and try not to rush to judgments
timecrash2001 t1_ixd53a6 wrote
Canada is easier - and just as cold! But NH is doable - have gone thru the immigration experience and can give you a lot of advice. AMA!
pahnzoh t1_ixd53v5 wrote
If you look at your property tax bill, you'll see the the vast majority of it is itemized to schools.
Sort of problematic if you don't have kids or don't plan to.
You're being forced to pay to school other people's kids. I get that this is the way it's worked for sometime, but I don't think this is exactly ethical. You have the kids, you should pay for their schooling. You don't have kids, you don't have to pay.
That way you're not forced to pay exorbitant property taxes if you don't have kids.
mafiafish t1_ixd8y54 wrote
Yeah H1B waitlists and application limits make it really difficult to secure sponsorship as few employers hire with a 6-month lag.
EB-2 with a masters degree or Diversity Immigrant program are best routes if you can't find a sponsor or a spouse.
lMickNastyl t1_ixd9fr6 wrote
I mean...they did say they're Greek.
PracticalSouls5046 t1_ixd9hc9 wrote
Find a job that will sponsor your H1B visa, fly over, find a place to live. Stay for a few years and apply for residency and eventually citizenship if you really like it. Larger corporations generally have the resources to support paperwork more easily.
lMickNastyl t1_ixd9rd5 wrote
We are going to drag you all screaming into the bright gay future.
alexkourtis OP t1_ixdar7g wrote
In Greece it's free if u go to a public hospital... In a private clinic it starts from maybe 20 euros but it could get more expensive if you go to a fancy one...
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixdbd23 wrote
Canada is an extremely authoritarian country that's run by a guy that's right on the verge of being a dictator, why would somebody flee the authoritarianism of Europe just to go to Canada and experience the same problems, but worse lol
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixdbi64 wrote
I mean that's not really an issue with this sub as much as it is with Reddit in general lol
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixdbzrr wrote
Part of the problem was that we had garbage candidates running against them, Hassan definitely would have been fired if her moron Republican opponent hadn't falsely accused a libertarian of assaulting him and alienated half his base in the process
*Edit: fixed typos resulting from speech to text
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixdccym wrote
You don't speak for the people of new hampshire, flatlander. Go back to Massachusetts.
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixdcouv wrote
Libertarians are not opposed to the state existing. That would be an anarchist. Libertarians are basically just liberals from 20 years ago, before that label was co-opted by alt-left authoritarian extremists.
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixdcvnv wrote
Without borders you don't have a nation, without a nation there is nothing to protect the rights of the people from authoritarians. "No human beings are illegal" is an asinine statement that intentionally misses the point, stop being dishonest by playing semantic games.
4ever48 t1_ixdd6bk wrote
No. The free-staters are a political force here. In Nashua, NH we have a greek orthodox church you might want to contact. St. Philip at 500 Hollis Street. I'll bet someone there could help you.
alexkourtis OP t1_ixddea4 wrote
Aggree. But basically i felt like saying that word basically lures opposers for a straw man fallacy where they go like: "oMg So YoU ThINk eVeRyThING sHoULD bE PraivAtELy oWnED just because youre privileged and don't experience the problems of capitalism first hand? Basically they just assume you are some hardcore ancap.... Which I'm not tbh
4ever48 t1_ixdeslj wrote
Agreed. Except it's already killing NH economy. Especially in the north.
Low-Head-1493 t1_ixdf1j0 wrote
I’m speaking for the down voters, obviously.
4ever48 t1_ixdf83o wrote
Not true. Which communities do YOU hang out in??
Happy_Confection90 t1_ixdgs3c wrote
I looked into this a few months ago and it seems that if we had the same income tax and state-averaged property tax rates as MA, homeowners would need to make well over 50k before they paid more in combined taxes than we do just in property tax now.
And that's as a single earner, it'd probably be even less regressive for dual income families who can "share" the property tax bill between their incomes.
quaffee t1_ixdgtg0 wrote
Unhinged take
linuxnh t1_ixdhlcg wrote
It’s already been mentioned but several people have moved from abroad to NH due to the free states project - that’s another realm you could look into and ask
mackerdoots t1_ixdiutk wrote
Let’s enter into a gay asexual marriage and open up a pizza shop. Or you can try to marry yourself and say that your other self identifies as a US citizen and NH resident
TheMobyDicks t1_ixdjnfv wrote
There sure is. Go ask Foss Manufacturing, any hospital, Sig Sauer, Harmony Homes, etc., etc., etc. These aren't $15 p/h jobs. There's those, too, but it's systemic. Here, this'll help:
https://www.nhes.nh.gov/elmi/products/documents/economic-analysis-2022.pdf
Timely info.
[deleted] t1_ixdk382 wrote
You're an EU citizen. You have NH at home. Try Austria or Finland. If it's a politics thing, I hear Hungary and Poland are just as reactionary as the US.
Contrary to popular belief, it's extremely difficult to immigrate to the US. Your best bet is to find a US citizen to marry for a green card.
A-Do-Gooder t1_ixdll6o wrote
You should consider coming here with a study abroad program. This will allow you to have a taste of what NH has to offer for a few months without needing to make any long term commitments. I did a quick search, and here are the schools in NH that have study abroad programs:
- New England College
- Keene State College
- University of New Hampshire
- Plymouth State University
- Dartmouth
- Southern New Hampshire University
- Franklin Pierce University
- Granite State College
- Rivier University
- Saint Anselm College
- Manchester Community College (NH)
You can also explore doing an internship in between semesters. There are lots of places that offer internships in NH! Some places that I know of are DEKA, Texas Instruments, BAE Systems, WMUR, Merchants Fleet, VHB, and so many more!
Good luck!
Low-Head-1493 t1_ixdlrjm wrote
It’s so cute when you guys get angry and bust out flatlander as an insult.
I can walk out my door and access trailheads to a 4,000 footer without even driving… have been lucky enough to live in several parts of this state over the years where I could do so… but go off!
Btw it’s a purple state politically… maybe some day you’ll be able to grasp that concept without blaming Massachusetts?
Puzzleheaded_Okra_21 t1_ixdmc1a wrote
Wow - an experienced gunsmith earns more that $15 per hour?! That's hard to believe, my assessment was completely wrong...
larrybird56 t1_ixdnsyg wrote
LOL is right. What a fucking joke you are.
PM_Me_Ur_B1MMER t1_ixdqxdj wrote
Tell me you're a troll post without telling me you're a troll post.
turk4lyfe t1_ixds4ke wrote
20 years ago was 2002. Are you referring to the democratic party? If so, I think you are confused/ignorant.
Here is the 2000 party platform.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2000-democratic-party-platform
beepboopbeep1000 t1_ixdta2v wrote
Mar a Largo....you're thinking of that idiot there.
TheMobyDicks t1_ixdy3lv wrote
Can lead a horse to water...
Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixe52he wrote
Who paid for your schooling?
theCatch_man t1_ixe6dtz wrote
This is bad logic. Better schools for anyone’s kids is better for all of us in the long run. Better for the economy, better for society as a whole.
We also pay for plenty of things we don’t use, like anyone under 40 for social security and everyone paying for Medicare even if we don’t use it. We should pay, because social programs are good for the entire population in the long run, and just because you don’t have kids doesn’t mean you won’t benefit from a well educated population.
pahnzoh t1_ixeamk7 wrote
It's not bad logic. I want good schooling too. Through voluntary market exchange like the rest of the products and services I buy. Pay for what you use, and don't pay for what you don't.
I just don't want to use violence and extortion to pay for it.
I would dissolve those socialist programs as well as they are intergenerational extortion.
pahnzoh t1_ixeapb6 wrote
You ask that question like a child has any say in the matter.
Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixed08s wrote
So it was taxpayer funded? Pay it back, freeloader.
pahnzoh t1_ixeds3o wrote
Freeloader? I pay plenty of taxes.
Never even said I went to public school.
Why the bad attitude?
Arthur-Morgans-Beard t1_ixees9t wrote
Because, attending public school and benefitting from its teachings only to turn around and say you shouldn't have to fund it as an adult is the ultimate "fuck you, I got mine". I don't like the property tax rate either, but others paid for me to learn and give me the opportunity to turn myself into a functioning adult, so I should pay it back. Unless you have some other brilliant idea on how to do it, it sounds like you think we don't have to educate future generations, or more likely, just the poor kids.
theCatch_man t1_ixefusf wrote
Again, if I don’t use the highways should I not pay taxes for infrastructure? If I never see a penny of social security should I not pay any income tax? This logic just doesn’t make sense, we can’t just say that since we don’t use something we shouldn’t pay for it.
What about the police or fire departments? My house has never set fire and I’ve never been robbed, but we can’t just tax people who use those services!
pahnzoh t1_ixehf6u wrote
It is hard to come up with a perfect ethical solution when we are born into social systems that have relied on debt financing, political corruption, extortion, taxation, forced governance, and the like.
I don't see any problem with use-based payments for infrastructure. We already have them, they're call tolls. It's just a different way of funding things.
All of these services can be performed by the private market by paying for them. I understand that's not the way we've done it, but you can certainly do it without the government middle man.
It's completely logical, you just haven't heard of it because it's not taught in schools or discussed in media.
Drivedrivefff t1_ixej5nn wrote
Don't worry about what anyone on reddit says regarding politics or libertarianism. As soon as you stray from repeating the leftwing talking points of the day it's just strawmen and hate.
theCatch_man t1_ixejbvn wrote
I can definitely see where you are coming from better now. It makes sense, but I still don’t think that’s the right way to view these issues.
I think use-based systems won’t work unless there’s a clear way to tax people fairly. For consideration, think if a billionaire pays $0.50 for a toll versus someone getting paid 7.50/hour. The billionaires’ tax burden is significantly less for that toll than the min. wage worker.
I also don’t think the private market should be a way to pay for roads, infrastructure, and education. I think time and time again, when you let capitalism run rampant, it hurts the working and middle class while benefiting a fraction of the wealthiest people. If all schools were private and looking to increase profits, I don’t understand how that could benefit the common person. I think that may lead to more corruption than in the government. The free market idea needs to be very well regulated, and the government should take on costs that won’t be explicitly profitable (schools, roads, etc) but are either a necessity or provide economic value down the road.
As a side note, I have no idea what “forced governance” you mean.
Rizingfire t1_ixenrb7 wrote
Damn , you beat me to it...lol...
Rare_Message_7204 t1_ixetja8 wrote
It is extremely difficult to immigrate legally. Took my friend 4 years and his parents almost 10. No wonder why illegal immigration upsets people who followed the process.
HowardNelsonJr t1_ixetxed wrote
Do not move here
golfgrandslam t1_ixfcogs wrote
Its outrageous that it takes someone ten years to immigrate. Let them begin their life here already.
movdqa t1_ixfeub6 wrote
Fastest way would be to come on a tourist visa, meet someone, decide to get married and apply for a change of status. If you go the fiance' route, you have to remain in your own country for some period of time before you can emigrate. The whole process is long, involved, and complicated though.
There is the H1-B visa route but you have to have skills such that an employer would sponsor you. These are more common in scientific fields like software and electrical engineering, biotech, etc. I've heard that some school districts have programs to hire teachers where they can get around the H1-B caps. I do not know if any NH districts do that.
newenglandpolarbear t1_ixhvuhq wrote
Lucky, can cost upwards of 300 here...FOR ONE TOOTH
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixniwou wrote
You're obsessed. Seek help.
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixnj1qv wrote
No, what I am is a liberal who is disgusted with what the Democrat party has become and the fact that they now stand in direct opposition to liberal ideals. Cope.
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixnj4ai wrote
Canada doesn't even have freedom of speech, everything I said is true. Cope.
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixnj8b7 wrote
I don't care where you live now, once a masshole always a masshole. Cope.
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixnjb1z wrote
Reality is not unhinged, it just is. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings.
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixnjhbq wrote
That's to be expected, it is standard procedure for extremists to misrepresent people who they can't compose a compelling or even coherent argument against.
quaffee t1_ixnl63b wrote
Oh, I'm doing just fine. But thanks for your concern. Sorry about your reality, it must be very dim.
turk4lyfe t1_ixo9fx6 wrote
But I provided resources showing you the part platform from 20 years ago and it doesn't resemble what you are claiming it did.
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixq7weg wrote
I'm aware of what you posted, your confusion stems from the fact that you appear to be unaware that your post was a complete non sequitur. I'm talking about people, not parties. If you think party platforms are an accurate reflection of what people who support that party actually believe, or even an accurate reflection of the beliefs and actions of the politicians in that party, then you haven't been paying attention.
But let's talk about parties. 20 years ago the Democrat Party was not opposed to freedom of speech. Now they are. You don't get to be opposed to the most basic of all human rights, the very underpinning of liberalism, and pretend that you're a liberal.
Relative_Election_81 t1_ixq8bdx wrote
"your reality" that right there is a perfect example of why independent voters and moderates have been fleeing the Democrat Party in droves. People don't have their own realities, there's just reality and not reality. The alt left is completely delusional.
IKR1_994 t1_ixc2ubb wrote
Thats actuall imigration you'll have to go to either the US embassy or Consolate in Athens to start the process if I remember correctly, also that is not a short process by any means but good luck.