Overpayment demand from NHES? Wut?

Submitted by reficius1 t3_yy5t6w in newhampshire

Anyone else get one of these? Totally out of the blue...first we've heard of this.

"This is your final notice. if you do not pay the outstanding balance or contact the department within fourteen days to make acceptable payment arrangements, we will initiate further action to collect the debt described in this letter.

OUR RECORDS SHOW THAT YOU OWE THE STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYMENT SECURITY THE SUM OF $19,481 FOR OVERPAID UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS."

Address checks out... 45 South Fruit St, Concord

Phone number checks out... 603 229 4391

Thanks a lot NHES for the interesting handling of whatever this is.

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ekob711 t1_iwsx001 wrote

The good news is we have no state tax; the bad news is we have no functioning state agencies.

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Bill2k t1_iwt5sr6 wrote

If that was true then Massachusetts would have functioning state agencies, but they don't. What they do have are overpaid bureaucrats. I honestly hope people don't think a state income tax would improve NH's state agencies because a state income tax would only create larger state agencies that don't function.

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woolsocksandsandals t1_iwt67p9 wrote

How much does the highest paid state employee in Massachusetts make?

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northursalia t1_iwuobz5 wrote

"Employees across the University of Massachusetts system overwhelmingly topped the list of the state’s highest earners in 2021, starting with Dr. Michael F. Collins, chancellor of UMass Chan Medical School. His overall pay was $1.35 million, including a base salary of $815,738 and $533,371 in other pay, according to state data.

Dr. Terence Flotte, provost and executive deputy chancellor of UMass Chan Medial School, trails behind Collins with an overall pay of $1.11 million, with a base salary of $860,519 and $249,696 in other pay."

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Bill2k t1_iwt7lf7 wrote

I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised if the highest paid employee made over $250k. But why wonder about a single person when all the employees of the state of mass are making much much more than their counterparts working in NH.

NH state police make around 50k a year. Mass state police can make over 100k a year with traffic control overtime. NH Congresspersons make less than half of what Mass Congresspersons make. Every state employees income is available to the public. Look it up, check it out.

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Cullen7777 t1_iwtn3or wrote

the figures you’re throwing around are bogus

NHSP : $54,500.

MSP : $ 62,300.

These are starting pay before construction details.

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Bill2k t1_iwugm9z wrote

That's the base pay. After traffic OT some are making over 100k in Massachusetts.

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Cullen7777 t1_iwujb12 wrote

oh I know. NH too if the trooper is motivated. Source?? State Trooper in my family

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Mightnglory t1_iwujl40 wrote

Yet Massachusetts tax payers are getting an extra payout and NH is going after people that collected their less than livable unemployment.

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Finnester t1_iwtqwtb wrote

Yep happened to me too and seemed to me as very unprofessional that is comes off as extortionate. Funny thing is I filed the exact same as my coworkers, they got 3+ weeks of unemployment and I only got 1 and now they're demanding it back? It's ridiculous and I'm hoping they drop it. It's not my fault that they screwed up 2 years ago and they screwed up now.

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Jay_Derkin t1_iwsieee wrote

Did you collect unemployment? If so did you lie on your paperwork?

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reficius1 OP t1_iwsj86n wrote

Yes.

No.

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Jay_Derkin t1_iwsjdfr wrote

In which case go down to your local unemployment office and speak with them about it. Same thing happened to my brother and all he had to do was fill out a financial affidavit, send in his tax returns, and wait. They waived the entire amount.

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reficius1 OP t1_iwsofse wrote

Ok, thanks. Any word on what triggered it?

And again, thanks to NHES. My local office is 35 minutes away.

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WapsuSisilija t1_iwsqjzj wrote

Thanks to NH underfunding citizen services for a generation or more. Not NHES.

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Jay_Derkin t1_iwsonth wrote

No idea. The guy at the office said it just happens and he sees plenty of people come in with that same letter saying the owe 20k+ and it’s almost always waived.

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RainbowRaider t1_iwv95ks wrote

They did the same for my SSI benefits when I was not working at all (I had to quit my job because of sexual harassment), finally had an appt to submit my paperwork for the year and they actually wiped it all out. I would definitely go down to talk to them.

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ekob711 t1_iwswnte wrote

My son got the same “final notice.” But he never got any earlier notice and the final notice says it is too late to appeal some “determination” that was supposedly made over a year ago that he likewise never received. OP did you ever receive an earlier notice or “determination” from NHES? Incidentally my son only collected benefits for a few months back in 2020 and his claim was completely legit.

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reficius1 OP t1_iwt03p7 wrote

Nope, identical situation. No notice before this. Legit claim, but it was way back during covid. 2020.

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ekob711 t1_iwt0a3n wrote

Can you DM me? I don’t know how to do that.

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JessePunch t1_iwshjql wrote

have you ever collected unemployment?

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reficius1 OP t1_iwsjay6 wrote

Yup. During covid. Total was less than $10k.

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mmirate t1_iwsk6sv wrote

That by definition means you stole from me (and from everyone else who remained solvent for the past three years and was subject to NH state taxation). The least you can do is repay it with restitution.

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clarenceisacat t1_iwsl74i wrote

'That by definition means you stole from me (and from everyone else who remained solvent for the past three years and was subject to NH state taxation).'

No it doesn't.

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WapsuSisilija t1_iwsqo6d wrote

You don't pay unemployment taxes, employers do.

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mmirate t1_iwszd41 wrote

And where do you think they get that money from?

(Hint: prices. Of everything.)

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RetroIsBack t1_iwtp2ya wrote

From their customers, not you the employee

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mmirate t1_iwugz4a wrote

Employees of one business use their wages as customers of other businesses. Those other businesses have to pay for their unemployment taxes via slightly higher prices, diluting the purchasing power of those employees.

One transaction at a time, everyone in the economy pays taxes, directly and indirectly.

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RetroIsBack t1_iwvbthz wrote

Yah its the same as electricity. Congrats you just discovered operational costs.

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mmirate t1_iwvpv6n wrote

Electricity is energy. Taxation is just theft. That is the difference.

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RetroIsBack t1_iwvqiel wrote

Taxation provides for roads, maintenance, water that the business needs, get real.

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mmirate t1_iwvsv0k wrote

Who does the government pay for all that work? Private contractors. Government is just a pointless inefficient monopolistic middleman that could just as well be cut out.

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T_Smoochie-Wallace t1_iwu48e5 wrote

I think you need to check the definition on the word “definition” buddy. You clearly don’t understand how unemployment gets funded.

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FloozyFoot t1_iwtqtsd wrote

Did no one persecute you today, and you're feeling lonely? Seriously, what the fuck?

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NickTz20 t1_iwualno wrote

Oof. That's a lot of unemployment.

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