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aelius_aristides t1_izk1mky wrote

Reply to comment by manicmonkeys in Manchester conducts health, welfare check of downtown homeless camp by rabblebowser

Don’t evict them. Especially during winter, and especially when alternate housing is not provided.

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manicmonkeys t1_izkje61 wrote

The part about it being during winter may have some validity to it. But at the end of the day, society can't stay functioning if there's an ever-increasing vagrant presence like that.

If you give them housing, they quickly destroy the housing.

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aelius_aristides t1_izkkra7 wrote

It's simply untrue that they would destroy proper housing if it was given to them. Yes, some with severe mental illness or addiction may do some damage. But plenty of working people with homes also trash them. Ever been to a hoarders house, or a rural property with 20 rusting cars in the yard? Some people make a mess. Homeless people are just people.

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To your point about society, our society is designed around competition in such a way that necessitates the creation of a permanent houseless underclass. They have existed as long as this society has. It is in fact a function of our society, not an obstacle to its function. The real solution is of course a restructuring of society on the basis of cooperation, not competition. But I somehow imagine that you will have plenty of objections to that.

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manicmonkeys t1_izkn6q8 wrote

Every society has poor/homeless people. That's not a unique commentary of any sort.

Those are nice platitudes, but sadly they are devoid of practicality.

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aelius_aristides t1_izkor0y wrote

Every society does have poor and homeless. None have as much as we do, because we manufacture homelessness. That’s no platitude.

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manicmonkeys t1_izle512 wrote

That's just... factually wrong.

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aelius_aristides t1_izlepca wrote

Hedge funds buying up housing and raising rent, artificially induced inflation, low minimum wage, inaccessible healthcare. How are we NOT manufacturing homelessness? Plenty of countries have extreme poverty and slums etc etc. but none have the wealth and resources that we do, the mass of unoccupied housing sitting empty. We have no excuse to have this many people on the streets.

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manicmonkeys t1_izlx5du wrote

>Every society does have poor and homeless. None have as much as we do

This is factually wrong.

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aelius_aristides t1_izm0y07 wrote

Well, you're not making any arguments or providing any information, so this is pointless. And you're wrong anyway. I'm certain that I have spent a great deal more time investigating the issue of homelessness than you have, and a great deal more time with homeless people. Your armchair conservative opinions aren't worth my time.

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manicmonkeys t1_izm2v5a wrote

I'm pointing out that at least part of your statement was wrong. If you don't value truth though, that's on you.

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aelius_aristides t1_izm5isu wrote

Again, saying I'm wrong over and over again is neither a meaningful nor interesting contribution, if you have nothing else to offer. And, as I also stated, you simply do not know what you are talking about.

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