GreatGrandaddyPurp t1_j0gbjk9 wrote
Reply to comment by Skydivided in Police from Maine city drive woman to Manchester homeless shelter where there's no room by rabblebowser
Put them to work. There's plenty of roads that need fixing in Manchester. Make a program where anyone who works full time gets a place to stay for 1/3 of their income. Remove zoning laws that allow for wasted space in suburban areas. Require special permits to build any type of luxury housing. Make contractors build 10 affordable housing units to get a permit for one luxury unit. As for those who are too mentally ill to work... put them in an insane asylum. They worked great before Regan closed them. We have plenty of mill space around here that could be repurposed.
Skydivided t1_j0ghwpr wrote
That’s quite the list you’ve got. Just throw them in an insane asylum? Wow
GreatGrandaddyPurp t1_j0gobqn wrote
If you're too mentally ill to contribute to society, the most ethical thing society can do is put you in an insane asylum. It's better than letting them die in the snow or hurt other people.
Skydivided t1_j0grwa5 wrote
Who determines if someone is too mentally ill for society and they just pick them up off of the street and put them in an asylum without their consent ? Who’s paying for the asylum?
GreatGrandaddyPurp t1_j0h7vsq wrote
A psychiatrist. We can take money from the police budget to fund it. We wouldn't need as many officers patrolling if there were asylums again.
Skydivided t1_j0hcc7r wrote
Maybe , but doesn’t seem practical that the cost would be covered. Long term hospital stays are expensive. By chance do you know the budget for the police department for your city ?
What about the drug addicts and alcoholics ? Drug addiction and alcoholism are both a disease and a form of mental health disorder.
GreatGrandaddyPurp t1_j0hlr3j wrote
We already have rehabs, don't we? If that fails, there's always prison. I don't have much sympathy for addicts. I've been one. It's a choice. In Manchester NH the police budget was 50 million this year. I bet the police would do just fine with 40 million. They have a 'use it or lose it' attitude that creates wasteful spending.
Skydivided t1_j0hoguu wrote
We already have drug rehabs. Who’s going to pay for that ?
So in your scenario youde take most of the police budget. 40,000,000 out of 50,000,000. Now , let’s be very conservative and use 100 homeless people who you think should be in an asylum for long term care. That’s 400,000 per person. On the lower scale based on some random statistics and averages , you’re looking at around 6,000 a month. But let’s go lower and say 3,000 a month for fun. Now ? Do you see where that’s going for even one person ? Not very far. And that’s only using 100 people. Not many.
Yes , you’re right. We do have drug rehabs. Most are full or a waiting list but you definitely can get in with the right money or insurance and some state funded recourses, which are scarce. But let’s pretend that wasn’t the case. How much do you think the average stay for a 28 day program is ? I’ll let you research that since you seem to know about drug rehabs. Now the problem is ; who’s going to fund it ? We’ve already discussed the money from your police budget. So that won’t work. What other divisions in your city should have their budget cut so as to fund the drug rehabs? Keep in mind you’re only talking about a single city. What about the smaller cities in our state ?
GreatGrandaddyPurp t1_j0idwa0 wrote
Interesting math, but I'm talking about 10 million, not 40 million. Why on earth would it cost 400,000 per year per person? Thats a very luxurious number. How about 30k per person per year. Now will it be as nice as the ritz? No, absolutely not. All you need is heat, lights, food, water, and psych meds. Now we can house 333 mentally ill people for 1/5 of the police budget. Don't tell me its not possible. Plenty of people in the US live on 30k or less per year. The problem is people like you are ok will calculating a massive amount of theft into the equation. Remove the theft and everything gets incredibly affordable. As for rehabs? Pass a law that requires any rehab operating in NH to take in homeless addicts for free. These are for profit buisnesses that make ludicrous amounts of money. They'll be able to take the hit.
Skydivided t1_j0ihvxz wrote
Pass a law ? That’s cute. Get started with that since you know how cut and dry that is. Put people in a medical facility(asylum as you call it , which is an antiquated word).
You really don’t get it and that’s ok. You’re not alone. A lot of people like you are really ignorant on the matter and think you just “pass a law “. And the money part for long term treatment at a medical assisted center isn’t going to be 30,000 a year. That would be awesome, but it’s not reality. Just look up the cost yourself, it’s not my doing or will that facilities charge so much. I agree , it’s insane. But as you did all we gotta do is “pass a law “. The 400,000 dollar quote wasn’t for a year. I was using your silly and juvenile take on “defunding the police “ and used a random number out of the amount you wanted to defund the police to make a point. It wasn’t supposed to be literal.
I’d really love to hear how a law gets passed to make a facility do what you say. Can you explain that ? I’ll wait.
GreatGrandaddyPurp t1_j0gooc7 wrote
In all seriousness do you have any better ideas?
Skydivided t1_j0gs1s2 wrote
That’s why I asked the question. We don’t have all the answers right now so the subject is up for debate and will be for a while.
GreatGrandaddyPurp t1_j0h81bw wrote
You haven't suggested anything...
Skydivided t1_j0hbgp9 wrote
I’m part of a committee that approaches the community with the recourses available. Every steering commiteee in the nation are taking suggestions.
GreatGrandaddyPurp t1_j0hm0uj wrote
What has your committee achieved since it was created?
Skydivided t1_j0hpbfe wrote
Have you ever volunteered for your city’s homeless coalition or outreach programs? What about a soup kitchen or a cold weather emergency housing ? What about food pantry’s ? Dental care service ?medical care service ? Do any of these programs sound like something you would volunteer your time to ? Are you comfortable washing homeless peoples cloths and folding them up and handing them back to them , and then the next day wash their bedding ? There’s more. Are you interested in volunteering for any of these ?
GreatGrandaddyPurp t1_j0ig23c wrote
Yes, I've volunteered at the food pantry. Now tell me what exactly your committee has done besides waste taxpayer dollars?
Skydivided t1_j0ijdag wrote
Explain to me how tax payer dollars are wasted with homeless centers ? I’d really love to hear your expertise on the subject.
It’s not “my committee “. I don’t work there as my job. Every single thing I listed on the previous response is all volunteer and donation based for the most part but there are people in these organizations who do work at these centers around the nation. That’s what they do. The stuff I listed is just part of it. I’m not sure you’re grasping this.
Enjoy your evening. I’m checking out on this thread. I think my teenagers have a better understanding of this. Heck. I think my cat may too.
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