Submitted by 1carus_x t3_10a6q2s in newhampshire
1carus_x OP t1_j44cwi8 wrote
Reply to comment by Kekwexpress in New Hampshire Trans Sanctuary Bill (plus two others) by 1carus_x
Turner syndrome is just one of over 40 different variations. They are natural variations in sexual development, don't care for your intersexism. Still doesn't answer as to which of the biological sex categories intersex folk would fall into
Kekwexpress t1_j44dk66 wrote
But all these variations are abnormal conditions. It should be pretty obvious that when referring to biological sex, it’s referring to male/female.
Mrpgal14 t1_j44l45s wrote
OP replied well already but also just to state clearly, even if those things were uncommon abnormalities they should still be accounted for in the wording of the law to avoid any problems that ambiguity might cause. Laws shouldn’t be “pretty obvious” they should be crystal clear so certainly groups aren’t unfairly exempt, or worse so that the government doesn’t use that ambiguity to persecute whomever they see fit.
5teerPike t1_j45algt wrote
Plenty of intersex people live perfectly regular lives without cisnormative surgery, and such operations are increasingly considered unnecessary.
Being left-handed used to be considered an abnormal condition as well.
1carus_x OP t1_j44e7p1 wrote
Nope, intersex people are actually common, just as common as red heads, around 1.7% . Do you think those with blue eyes also have an abnormal condition since it was a mutation?
Again, don't care for your intersexism. And once again, I am asking, which of the several categories of sex are we referring to? Chromosomal, gonadal, morphological, endocrinologic? Intersex people's sex changes drastically depending on that category you're using.
vipstrippers t1_j44lk4i wrote
Where did you get 1.7%? You’re telling me almost 2 people out of 100 are intersex.
Edit: that number came from one person
Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%.
largeb789 t1_j468g72 wrote
Even if it's 0.0017% the law should need to account for that situation. 0.0017% of 1.4 million would still leave the 24 people in a legal gray area and likely not legally able to enter a public restroom. A law restricting a person who has used the online handle of vipstrippers from entering a public restroom would be less restrictive.
quackslikeadoug t1_j46aksy wrote
You're confusing sex with characteristics associated with sexual dimorphism. The only two categories involved in defining a person's sex are chromosomal and gonadal, and ultimately gonadal wins out in any case where the two can't otherwise be reconciled; what really matters for most medical and social purposes is a person's phenotypical, or gonadal, sex.
1carus_x OP t1_j46avmn wrote
So you agree female isn't always XX then? There's XY woman with ovaries. Which, wow.... Means sex isn't binary! It's bimodal, two points that have an overlap. If it were binary there wouldn't be any overlap. What about those who don't have either or have both? Which bathroom does someone with a vagina and penis go to? Which prison would they put into? You'd be forcing men into the women's bathrooms, especially those who literally have peni and ovaries who have lived as men, are treated as such. Why do you want to make women uncomfortable?
vipstrippers t1_j44m2ve wrote
Wrong
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/ Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%.
Kekwexpress t1_j4np5yh wrote
Ridiculous. You can’t say that intersex is common. It’s extremely rare. You can’t use intersex people as an example to obviate the biological duality of sex, which upon all generation is based since all of human history.
Intersex is a biological anomaly and can’t be used to invalidate the concept of sex as a generality. Even further, most intersex people still manifest as either male or female.
The idea that intersex people exist doesn’t invalidate the idea that there is a male and a female.
So without being daft, you tell me which category of sex they’re talking about.
1carus_x OP t1_j4nq56k wrote
"Rare" yet there's at least two of us in these comments 🤭 no one has answered the question as to how those that can't be categorized into m or f would be placed, funny....
quackslikeadoug t1_j46a4u1 wrote
None of the genetic disorders resulting in "intersex disorders" creates a situation in which the functional sex of a living person is in any real question. The most compelling, case, obviously, would be weak or missing SRY, but we already have words for making distinctions between displayed characteristics and people's genotypes: phenotypes.
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