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BlueBeagle8 t1_jcqr9qu wrote
My heart goes out to Mr. Seabrooks and his family, and I understand where these advocates are coming from, but I'd love to hear a more concrete suggestion than "de-escalation" and "connecting people with the support they need." Those are empty platitudes, not solutions for handling violent episodes.
Sending social workers into a situation where a man armed with a knife is threatening to harm himself and others is not viable. The police are always going to be involved in incidents like this. So what, specifically, should they do differently to prevent tragedies like this from happening in the future?
GTSBurner t1_jcr2ixv wrote
> Sending social workers into a situation where a man armed with a knife is threatening to harm himself and others is not viable.
It's not just a social worker. It's a social worker trained in these kind of situations and knows the risks. It's not some random LCSW from your kid's school.
The idea is that the social worker runs lead with the cops backup. Because these types of programs have been working.
Patrick Chin in Hillsborough was killed after a 2.5 minute interaction. He was in crisis, alone in his house. There was no threat to the general public and the cops escalated the situation and ended up killing him.
SeparateAddress9070 t1_jcr2rak wrote
There’s never a good reason to send an armed person to one of these situations. So so sad
thevoidcaptain t1_jcrbkjf wrote
weaver787 t1_jcs17cz wrote
Ah, you're right, only the person having the 'mental health crisis' should be the one that is armed.
weaver787 t1_jcs2c22 wrote
Having a mental health crisis does not absolve you of the responsibility to not be a danger to other people.
GTSBurner t1_jcs6ag3 wrote
Nobody else was in danger. He was in his apartment, he locked himself in a bathroom, he was hallucinating. This entire episode was escalated by police.
weaver787 t1_jcs7ikj wrote
Najee called the police himself and told them he wanted to have a shootout with them when they arrived.
GTSBurner t1_jcs8yna wrote
I'm aware. Again, hallucinating. Maybe, just maybe, I'm kind of spitballing here - what if you had someone who is trained in mental health crises advising the cops on what do do and react in these situations? Instead of just "shoot center mass". I wonder what kind of outcomes we'd have.
SeparateAddress9070 t1_jct6m71 wrote
This guy didn’t have a gun and he was the one who called for help. Cops are murdering scum
Zajac19 t1_jcv0d97 wrote
Called for help and when they got there said he wanted to have a shootout
SeparateAddress9070 t1_jcv0wcv wrote
And he was not in possession of a firearm.
Zajac19 t1_jcv13gj wrote
Yeah just a Sharp knife. No one has ever died to a stabbing. He was in a crisis but his statements and non compliance left one outcome
SeparateAddress9070 t1_jcvylj7 wrote
You do realize that these kind of mental crisis involving potential "weapons" happen all over the world and they *don't* result in cops using their guns, because nearly all first world nations don't have armed and poorly trained conservative scumbags with guns running a mafia they call "police"
Zajac19 t1_jcvyroe wrote
You don’t realIze the amount of these crisis situations that end peacefully. Work in a crisis center for a bit and you’ll see. Hundreds a day go without incident.
SeparateAddress9070 t1_jcvzlgo wrote
And any incident where a cop uses their gun on someone who is ill is a travesty and should cost the cop their career and mental health.
Zajac19 t1_jcvzqed wrote
You think they enjoy shooting people? Take a break from the news. Suicide by cop or anything like this has lasting effects on both sides
SeparateAddress9070 t1_jcw9xql wrote
>You think they enjoy shooting people?
Yes. Cops do enjoy exerting state violence on people in any form possible. Stop bootlicking.
Zajac19 t1_jcwa6y4 wrote
- generalizes about a million police officers as one. Please go outside and turn off the news
SeparateAddress9070 t1_jcwad43 wrote
lol. Couldn't tell you the last time I "watched the news." I'm not a boomer. You need to actually spend some time educating yourself on the actual shit going on in 90% of police departments across this country.
Zajac19 t1_jcwaqnl wrote
You mean the 1000 police shootings last year made by 18,000 police agencies in the US, somehow equates to 90%? I am interested in your statistics. In fact even in New Jersey the average officer has used “ use of force “ one or fewer times in the last year among 17000 officers.
SeparateAddress9070 t1_jcwbg8w wrote
Where did I say anything about police shootings in that statement? Murdering innocent people regularly isn't the only disgusting thing that police are known for in the United States. Disproportionate arrests of minorities for minor crimes, disproportionate use of force, sexism within the force...
ACAB isn't just something people say to be edgy. All cops are fucking scum.
Zajac19 t1_jcwbptw wrote
You brought up “ state violence “ so I decided to use statistics ( publicly available in New Jersey btw) to show you that in fact 95% of police officers in New Jersey exercise what you would call “ state violence “ less than once a year!
SeparateAddress9070 t1_jcwc243 wrote
......state violence does not just mean use of force. State violence can be anything from civil forfeiture, to arresting someone for a minor crime and leaving their belongings on the side of the road, to harrassing someone with police presence.
State violence is putting thousands of dollars of fines on people for misdemeanors that they can't afford to pay, and then taking their shit in retaliation. State violence is *being present as a cop with a gun in a black community.*
state violence is the anxiety that an encounter with the police gives a young minority male.
8 million cannabis arrests in the last 10 years is state violence.
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BF_2 t1_jcpa2rb wrote
No, no! You don't get it! The police solved this guy's mental health problems permanently! /s