YawnTractor_1756 t1_iu2sxlb wrote on October 28, 2022 at 3:13 AM

Reply to comment by TheSpaceBetweenUs__ in Seen earlier today. by ThanksNew9906

I lived in cities 20+ years of my life. I don't like cities. And yes, no one likes transit, except when it's so empty that it is definitely not paying for itself. Bikes are cool.

TheSpaceBetweenUs__ t1_iu3er9t wrote on October 28, 2022 at 7:14 AM

Transit essentially always pays for itself in the economic and social benefits. Can only say the opposite about car infrastructure though, and that's by intention

Like I said, reap what you sow

YawnTractor_1756 t1_iu50xha wrote on October 28, 2022 at 4:27 PM

>Transit essentially always pays for itself

That's based on nothing.

TheSpaceBetweenUs__ t1_iu609nu wrote on October 28, 2022 at 8:25 PM

>That’s based on nothing

Like your claim that nobody likes transit, of course ignoring all the people who do.

Anyways no, it’s not based on nothing. This figure reports a 5 to 1 return on investment. Took me 5 seconds of googling.

As for the suburbs you love so much, they have a negative ROI. Suburbs barely get a single dollar back for every 10 dollars put into them. Not so stingy when other people are subsidizing your shit. That’s the cities again that you hate so much.

But I’m sure you’re a special person who’s just inherently more entitled to our money for reasons you tell yourself at night. That’s usually how it goes at least

YawnTractor_1756 t1_iu8ombn wrote on October 29, 2022 at 12:43 PM

Read the paper . It will only pay for itself if it is planned properly leading to significant ridership increase within significant time (20 years, as per paper). Claim that PT always pays for itself no matter what is false.

By 'nobody likes transit' I meant commute in public transport, and of course it's an oversimplification that I used to reply to a dumb comment.

I don't cling to suburbs, and I don't hate cities. I hate living in cities. And I lived in several European cities for a large part of my life. I prefer to live in a suburb or semi-rural area, and those areas work differently than cities. Public transportation cannot work in them the same way. Again I know that for a fact because I lived major part of my life in a public transport based country, and even there suburbs and semi-rural areas were covered sparsely and people relied on personal transport a lot.

Don't get me wrong, it's cool to have public transport, it liberates those who cannot drive for financial reasons or because they are too young, but pushing it everywhere only works if everyone is pushed into cities, which I'm not having.