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stickman07738 t1_iu3u81r wrote

Reply to comment by FartFragrance in Seen earlier today. by ThanksNew9906

And do not forget to add in the cost for battery replacement or repair - far exceeds the total cost of lifetime gas.

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BoomTownRat71 t1_iu3vnwb wrote

There’s really nothing to repair. Batteries last over 300K miles and there’s no oil maintenance cost. It cost me about $80 a month to charge at home. That’s an equivalent of 20 gals of regular a month.

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IronMikeTython t1_iu4xb3d wrote

I think your numbers are off. Unless you’re using a gas generator to charge your Tesla.

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akleit50 t1_iu3zq05 wrote

Average annual maintenance costs on a Tesla is almost $900. That’s about $300 more than a standard car (via Jalopnik).

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JaredBanyard t1_iu4mzzd wrote

Those numbers are totally bogus.. My only maintenance the past 8 years of Tesla ownership has been tires and cabin air filters. I literally have not spent a dime more on any maintenance.

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akleit50 t1_iu4off3 wrote

There it is-your anecdotal evidence and personal experience has debunked the average cost of ownership based on all of the cars sold from a survey conducted by a reputable automotive website. Thanks for clearing that up. Since I only had to replace the brakes on my fiesta once, it’s utter bullshit that the average fiesta has had to have more than one brake replacement.

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bpnj t1_iu4r7ab wrote

Is that for the $100k model S or X? I bet a $100k Mercedes would be just as bad or worse. The 3 and Y are very simple compared to the other models (smaller tires, no air suspension, no motorized doors, no motorized door handles, I can go on and on. )

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jonnymoon5 t1_iu3ypcr wrote

I’ll never understand this talking point. Have most people never had to pay for a major repair on a gas car before? An engine ain’t cheap either

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akleit50 t1_iu3zi5r wrote

Yeah, but you can take your car to a local garage. You don’t need some “authorized” repair person to come pick up your car. Also, a lot of us know how to do routine maintenance and repairs on our cars. Save a bit of cash….

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JaredBanyard t1_iu4qesj wrote

I get my wheels/tires done at my local shop with my Tesla.

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angusshangus t1_iu4mjsw wrote

Most new cars are sealed black boxes now though. An Indy servicing a modern automatic sequential 8 or 9 speed transmission? Not going to happen.

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akleit50 t1_iu4on1u wrote

Except my local garage has serviced my modern Volvo transmission. They’ve also replaced the clutch and hydraulics on my not as modern manual gearbox on my fiesta. But hey.

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stickman07738 t1_iu46697 wrote

All car have an estimated $5-6K repair /maintence cost over a 10 yrs life. The issue with EVs are battery replacement costs of $10K or more. I have a friend battling Tesla now - I egg him on about how it was good buy.

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FartFragrance t1_iu55ixk wrote

Believe it or not, but a lot of studies have shown that EV batteries actually don’t degrade as bad as a lot of those have been believing. By the time you actually need a new battery, they should be a lot cheaper.

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PracticableSolution t1_iu4by16 wrote

Blow an EGR valve, crankshaft position sensor or transmission valve body on a modern car and you’ll be wishing you had a solid battery because an electric car doesn’t have any of that shit or most of the other 1500 moving parts under your hood you never look at.

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KoEnside t1_iu4e9ai wrote

Replacing the computer hardware or heat pumps in a Tesla can't be cheap either. Not saying IC engines are better than electric but a $50k luxury vehicle is going to cost more in repairs than a $5k Toyota Corolla.

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PracticableSolution t1_iu4fmkm wrote

All stuff that’s on any new car. That screen in the middle of any new dashboard ain’t cheap.

And I will gladly compare a brand new anything (ok, maybe not a VW or a Land Rover) to a whipped $5k Corolla.

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KoEnside t1_iu4i777 wrote

If you buy a toyota for $5k and the repair guy quotes $6k you just scrap it. If the Tesla repair guy quotes $9k in repairs then you either pay up or sell it at a fraction of the msrp.

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iNuttedInShrek t1_iu4ei1r wrote

Definitely. My car’s timing belt skipped and it was an engine replacement. Granted, it’s a 15 year old car, but shit wasn’t fun.

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robsteoperosis t1_iu4ist4 wrote

Um I’m spending money on a $60k EV to save money! You wouldn’t get it pleb! /s

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lykewtf t1_iu4u3bm wrote

It's hard to find a car of equivalent luxury/features for much lower. That's what they cost, it's not just Tesla's. I just came from the cheapest oil change I could find at $70, I filled my car up after that it was $50 and I have brakes for the front coming up let's say 400. These are real costs that have to be added in to the "purchase price" if you are comparing mile for mile. I don't own a Tesla and I hate Elon, so no fanboy here.

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FartFragrance t1_iu55ann wrote

I do my own car repairs. Good luck doing that on one of these new EV’s. The good news is supposedly he won’t need to do it as often on these new EV’s?

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bookofp t1_iuhtzlk wrote

Cost per mile of a battery change is different depending on driving style and how you charge your car but a short example might work out like this:

Let's pretend for the sake of arguments that we're talking about a Tesla Model S, and also let's pretend that you drive a lot and are completely unable to charge at home for whatever reason so you are forced to use high-speed superchargers as your only charging method. (this method of charging degrades the battery faster)

There are Tesla Model S cars now starting to stream back to Tesla for battery replacements. Most of them are owned by the same company that is doing testing of EVs and other technologies. One thing that is interesting is that these battery replacements are commonly reported as being $30k online, and most of these Tesla Model S vehicles that are needing these new batteries have about 400k miles on them

That puts the cost per mile for a replacement battery pack at 7.5 cents, and if you charge at home on a slower charger, the battery will last longer bringing this cost down. Factor in the cost of electricity and you're still winning by driving an EV, even if you ignore stuff on the ICE side like more frequent brake jobs, oil changes, and regular maintenance that happens on engines by the time you hit 400k miles (timing belts, spark plugs, etc)

Plus 400k miles is a lot of miles, most people don't get that far, and if they do it's going to be many years for even the average high milage driver. By that point in time a lot more EVs will be on the road and the economies of scale will kick in and batteries will be cheaper.

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