Submitted by Born_Studio_7254 t3_y1m4tl in newjersey
I was at the Zenleaf in Lawrence and security threatened to kick me out for not taking my AirPod out of my ear. They said they were considered a medical facility and that having them in was a hipaa violation. Is there any truth to that? I’ve never been in my doctors office and been told to take out my headphones. What’s the deal?
I mean, it IS a wireless mic. I wouldn't consider it an issue but it's not difficult to see why they would.
Came here to write this.
I'm guessing it's a policy they have in an effort to ensure privacy of people who would rather not have it publicly known that they use marijuana.
So they asked you to remove them, and you tried to refuse.
Not sure why you think the problem is on their side of the table.
Not a HIPPA violation, but they have a right to ban them.
It's not a hipaa violation but it is considered private property so they can ask you to take it off or leave.
Don't be a ass Do as asked. Is it really that hard? You have legal weed Don't be a trumper.
What’s that supposed to mean?
It means you're not special and follow the rules.
O ok. You people that hate trump are just as crazy as the ones who love him.
My post had nothing to do with trump I couldn't less about that man.
It's just general life advice don't be an ass. If you don't like the rules, you are free to to go somewhere else that will let you have airpods.
Or are you saying that anyone should be able to go into someone else's business and do whatever they want?
if your post had nothing to do with trump then you didn’t answer my question at all.
Do you not see the part where I told you what it means? I literally started the sentence with "It means".
Did you not see the part where they mention trump? The word literally starts with “trump”
Your question was
>What's that supposed to mean?
I answered the question put forth. Do you need help understanding such a simple exchange?
No clearly you do. The word I was questioning was trumper not anything else. Now that that’s clear, what’s it mean in this context?
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They have every right to kick you out for pretty much any reason so idk why they felt the need to make that up. I mean, can you record a conversation there, maybe, maybe not, but would it violate HIPPA if you did, hell no. HIPPA does not work like that. It’s a very narrow law that applies in specific circumstances, none of which concern information that would be disclosed in a public space like the retail area of a medical dispensary.
Also I’m sure they have security cameras in the main area, if your AirPods violated it, somehow those wouldn’t?
If they’re concerned about the privacy of their customers or just don’t like you wearing AirPods, they can kick you out but it’s not HIPPA that’s making them.
I doubt any dispensaries are public spaces. If you are not buying you are not welcome.
I mean more of an place open to the public and one in which you have no expectation of privacy. Like a store you can walk into, not like a property owned by the government.
Yeah overall I agree with everything you said just wanted to make sure you didn't think there was some right to record. The dispensary can make any rules they'd like.
Having security cameras is not a HIPAA violation. However, failure to properly prevent unauthorized access to those tapes and video of patients going in and out leak on the internet would be a violation since we now know you as a patient visit this medical establishment.
That would be a violation.
Also medical only dispensaries aren't open to the public in a normal sense. Right now if I wanted to, I by law cannot step foot in a medical dispensary. They also have to verify I'm a valid patient as well before I'm allowed through that door.
HIPAA regulations are related to patient privacy and data security. Your use of headphones has nothing to do with either of these. They are responsible for securing their data systems from intrusion which may cause loss of data confidentiality, availability or integrity (CIA). If your use of a smart phone with headphones have any effect on their system's CIA, they have already failed, and you should let them know you'll report them to the HHS for an audit if they persist in their bs.
Yeah, fight the good fight later. For now, get your legal weed and go
Why didn't you just take your headphones out
I would have just taken it out 🤷
Is everyone here just forgetting that they have a phone in their pocket that is also a litteral wireless mic that can be set to record?
Also don't forget the wiretapping laws in NJ only require one party consent.
> Is everyone here just forgetting that they have a phone in their pocket that is also a litteral wireless mic that can be set to record?
Well yeah but we can SEE the one hanging out of your ear.
Or something.
Don’t you like talking about the stupid decisions made by small minded individuals? Sure it’s dumb answers, dumb questions, dumb answers to dumb questions but that doesn’t make it less entertaining. We all know there’s no reason to implement such ruling against one’s items. We’re just trying figure out what stupid reason they chose to justify it. It’s all in good fun. Hopefully
Amen!
You're throwing all nuance out the window. The premise is allowed to have any rule they want.
The difference is OP sounds like they did not have their phone out. If they don't see there is a phone, how do they know you have a phone on your person's vs in your car? At that point it's plausible deniability.
However OP had airpod in their ear hanging out for all to see. It becomes a fact that you can't deny.
Now I disagree with this being a HIPAA violation with the small piece of HIPAA I have to comply with from an IT side of things. But that doesn't mean the dispensary can't have a policy that says no listening devices as a way to cover their asses.
You are absolutely right they can make what ever crazy rules they want. It's the reason they gave that's absolutely BS. If the guy at the door was just like "no airpods, store rule" then yeah its just a silly rule and that's the end of it. It's when people start over thinking it and trying to guess crazy reasons for the rule that it gets ridiculous.
I would also argue that most people don't leave their phones in the car and bring them with them when walking into a dispensery. Only because why would you leave your phone in the car, that's odd.
HIPAA applies to any entity that process patient information and is required to keep that information private at all costs.
Your airpods are a recording device that was actively in use by being in your earsregardless of what you were doing. They are a medical facility.
While HIPAA doesn't apply to you directly it does apply to.them. there can be an argument made that they are in the right.
Now someone is going to counter with cell phones. A cell phone in your pocket is out of sight and no way to prove if your phone is on you or in your car until you take it out. They can't take action on what they don't see. However that doesn't mean they can't have a no cell phones on premises policy.
Either way, just take the L and learn your lesson.
It has to do with the ability to listen to the area around you. I’m not exactly sure what it’s called but there was a time people talked about “snooping on others convos” by leaving one airpod in the room and recording it in the phone. And since it’s now framed a possible listening device it violates HIPAA as you could be leaking others info. It’s a stretch but it’s somewhat logical. I used to go to cureleaf. Same thing. I had my airpod in and the security guard out front told me I had to take it out. I was confused then but I understood later that day. I thought it was for safety lol then I figured that made no sense.
Been to this place multiple times. Nothing but positivity there. Why are you bringing the negativity to a weed store of all places? Follow the damn rules. You're only in there 15-20 minutes. You can be a grown adult and take them out for that length of time
That's straight-up BS.
Fundkilr t1_iryx72w wrote
You came here to write about how you can’t follow rules?