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coma24 t1_is59ots wrote

It appears the reason for charges not being filed are because she wouldn't sign the complaint, because, "'In order to do that,' she told Newsweek, 'I would have to return to Point Pleasant Beach, and I'm not doing that unless someone pays me to.'"

So, as easy as it is to trash the system, the simple fact is that she didn't want to move forward with the charges.

Interestingly, the guy's friends apparently gave the assailant's name to the club owner, who then passed it on to the police when the police spoke with the owner.

It's all in the article.

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Workodactyl t1_is5gq5p wrote

This is Reddit. We don’t read the articles.

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mattwaver t1_is6it8o wrote

what’s an article

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Chose_a_usersname t1_is8wny3 wrote

I barely know what a title is, I search by controversial and throw my two cents in

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bigtime_porgrammer t1_is5f9jr wrote

The part about not returning to Point Pleasant sounded like a joke to me. The article also said:

>On Tuesday, Point Pleasant Beach police said they also had been in touch with Elias, but said she could not see who threw the beer because of the stage lights and declined to sign a complaint.

That's a mature and responsible position - she could have easily gone along with pointing the finger at the guy everyone else identified. She probably also figures it's better for her career to show that she won the fight with the hecklers herself, right there on the stage. No more justice needed from her perspective, despite many people having the understandable reaction that the guy should face actual consequences.

Also, interesting that the article said he was identified by his companions. In the video, you can hear someone off camera saying something like, "I'm never going out with you guys again".

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StriderTB t1_is5i55q wrote

It annoys me that being charged is predicated on her signing a complaint. The act happened regardless.

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bigtime_porgrammer t1_is5jio7 wrote

That's one path to him getting charged. Apparently the club is pressing charges.

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ReverseMermaidMorty t1_is75eit wrote

Makes sense, won’t help the club’s reputation if performers are at risk for being assaulted on stage there without consequences.

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sutisuc t1_is5iqlx wrote

If you want to charge someone with a crime you have to be able to have someone who will attest to actually observing the crime. I don’t know what other alternative you’d like?

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StriderTB t1_is5kvg0 wrote

There was a room full of people who can attest to it.

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sutisuc t1_is5l6e0 wrote

That’s implying those people would want to and then follow through with a case involving strangers going forward. You also have to get a victim to attest to it causing them to feel harm, threatened, etc, so either way she’d have to be involved

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StriderTB t1_is5lrrq wrote

It's just amazing that the party of law, order, and personal responsibility (lol) always manages to do whatever the fuck they want, consequence-free.

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sutisuc t1_is5nr4h wrote

Yeah I mean no argument from me there but that’s probably also a factor in why the comedian doesn’t want to bother in the first place

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GitEmSteveDave t1_is70jay wrote

Can't she e-sign it? Or do a zoom where she swears out the complaint? Didn't COVID teach us anything?

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d0mini0nicco t1_is5eqln wrote

Maybe I'm petty....but you bet your ass I'd have gone back to do that.

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twothumbswayup t1_is5mn70 wrote

>It's all in the article.

im sorry this is reddit - we dont do that around here!

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thebruns t1_is624zj wrote

I guess I can start murdering people left and right because if theyre dead they cant sign a complaint

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coma24 t1_is6aqjy wrote

oh c'mon. Obviously, the DA can choose to press charges, too. However, in minor cases like this, if the person doesn't want to move ahead, they don't.

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thebruns t1_is6fqg8 wrote

Sounds like theyre too lazy to do their job.

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coma24 t1_is6gwe9 wrote

Or, there's a process that's followed and if the victim doesn't want to press charges (ie, wouldn't want to file a police report, or show up in court), then they drop it knowing they won't be able to get a conviction without the victim's support. But sure, let's just go with "they're lazy."

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thebruns t1_is6h4hx wrote

> they won't be able to get a conviction without the victim's support

Its on camera. Youre telling me a jury would be shown the video and say thats fine?

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coma24 t1_is6p0w0 wrote

That's irrelevant as the case would not be brought to trial without the support of the victim afaik. It's ok, we can disagree.

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Top-Crazy1731 t1_is8n137 wrote

It's harassment not the Lindbergh baby kidnapping. It would be heard in municipal court by a judge not a jury. It's considered a disorderly persons offense. The victim is the only one who can sign the complaint for a dp unless it is witnessed by the officer except in domestic violence situations.

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thebruns t1_is8qjpv wrote

> unless it is witnessed by the officer

Show the video to the officer.

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GitEmSteveDave t1_is71drr wrote

Think how hard a court case is when one side of it refuses to cooperate? It's why so many domestic violence cases fall through.

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thebruns t1_is730fu wrote

I guess I can start murdering people left and right because if theyre dead they cant cooperate and it will make the job harder for the cops

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DizzyWithEternity t1_is6lyes wrote

If you listen closely to the video, you can hear someone loudly complain something like "I'm never hanging out with this fucking group again" so I'm not surprised

Edit: "yo I'm never coming out with this group of people ever again" definitely the guy that told the bar lol

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daedalus_was_right t1_is6sv9a wrote

This is misleading. Individuals do not "press charges" in our justice system; the state does. This task falls to the district attorney in charge of the case. They have WIDE discretion in choosing to press charges or not, which is why we often see these instances of victims declining to pursue the issue and DAs declining to press charges as a result. But this is 100% on the DA; they absolutely have the power to move forward with charges regardless of what the victim wants.

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coma24 t1_is75vj5 wrote

That's fair, and I eluded to the fact that the DA can move forward on their own in a follow-up response earlier.

However, if the police are asking if the victim wants to move forward and they say no, then unless it's an egregious circumstance, I don't see how the DA moves forward when the victim will NOT cooperate. That will be a really quick discussion with the DA, presumably, "Does she wanna press?" "Nope." "Next!"

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GBAfanboy t1_is6tsod wrote

In her defense, neither do I, and I used to be in the Borough/Brick region. Point Beach sucks, anywhere else on the shore is better

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psuedonymously t1_is6kvkz wrote

> It appears the reason for charges not being filed are because she wouldn't sign the complaint, because, "'In order to do that,' she told Newsweek, 'I would have to return to Point Pleasant Beach, and I'm not doing that unless someone pays me to.'"

It is absolutely not necessary for there to be a signed complaint by someone for charges to be pressed. Also, even if it was, there would be no need for them to physically travel to Point Pleasant to do so.

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tigertail5644 t1_is86qm9 wrote

Police don't need a signed complaint to move forward when a crime is on video. It's like saying they can't move forward with a murder trial because the dead person won't sign a complaint.

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