Submitted by DelayedContours t3_z5iumf in newjersey
6-10 guys in 1 marked, 2 unmarked, all armed, just went inside.
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DelayedContours OP t1_ixwj2ze wrote
Okay because I left lol
NatAttack50932 t1_ixx2da0 wrote
Those aren't SWAT
DelayedContours OP t1_ixx9gfo wrote
Same that's why I was surprised. I guess that's just the climate we are in now, also Bergen is a somewhat affluent area so I guess they can afford these activities.
srddave t1_ixxb1j4 wrote
Well I am wondering if maybe there was a specific threat.
Seeing these guys in the shopping mall really does bring us one step closer to developing countries with high levels of violence, which I guess we have—considering all the mass shooting events.
swoonmermaid t1_ixxclm4 wrote
I don’t feel safer….
arch_llama t1_ixxcvre wrote
They were there because the deals were so crazy. The fire department was there yesterday because the deals were too hot.
logan44man t1_ixxev51 wrote
I missed when it was the bergen mall
RepulsiveCorner t1_ixxls4i wrote
In the last week or so I've noticed a massive increase in police presence. I don't feel safe, I feel like I'm being monitored.
My_user_name_1 t1_ixxm3m5 wrote
Around 06-07 I remember seeing a NJSP helicopter around a coupw of Malls during the Xmas rush
stalkedbycats t1_ixxox5o wrote
Is that a suppressed rifle hes holding?
Intelligent_Ear_4004 t1_ixxv74z wrote
Nothing is normal about this. Especially considering we are taking about Maywood and Paramus cops. Cops need to stop playing soldier
aspoels t1_ixy8flp wrote
I’ve seen lots of cops with rifles both at BCC and at the GSP. More often than not tbh
FlameThrower18 t1_ixybfip wrote
Good to see them!
Mewllie t1_ixye2ei wrote
I probably would’ve done the same haha
jetlife0047 t1_ixyfin8 wrote
That’s normal to you ? Even in a busy mall ?
mattwaver t1_ixyie0l wrote
mikebanetbc t1_ixylvmb wrote
Bergen County doesn’t fuck around. 🔫🤨
leschampignons t1_ixymzcg wrote
I was wondering that too but I think it may be a flash hider.
d0mini0nicco t1_ixynork wrote
i mean....you are. we all are when we go, as it is prime target for shooters / icels / right wing domestic terrorists/ domestic terrorists from countries we've pissed off.....the list keeps going.
BasilHaydensBitch t1_ixyo9et wrote
Next up they’re sending in EMTs because the deals are SICK… also, a kid ODed on fentanyl in the bathroom.
jEsTsBaCk t1_ixypgmk wrote
I actually feel more comfortable with heavily armed officers. Idk why you wouldn’t
BangoSkank1919 t1_ixypi7k wrote
Just being pedantic but if they're domestic terrorists of other countries they're no longer domestic, just good ol fashioned regular terrorists. If they were terrorizing their own country they'd be domestic terrorists.
biological_assembly t1_ixypzde wrote
>I feel like I'm being monitored.
As you conduct all of you personal business on a handheld device that constantly monitors your movement though your GPS and can have it's camera and microphone turned on covertly by law enforcement agencies
Fryceratops t1_ixyqt3l wrote
I feel less secure knowing having more heavily armed police is a logical response in our current situation.
sailtothestars t1_ixyqv3g wrote
Yes, lots of depts will provide suppressors to specialty trained officers so they don’t blow out their hearing and everyone around them’s hearing if, heaven forbid, they have to take a shot indoors.
jEsTsBaCk t1_ixyrife wrote
And having them there makes you uncomfortable?
Fryceratops t1_ixyrl9g wrote
Knowing that it is necessary makes it uncomfortable.
_Bison_ t1_ixysd59 wrote
I mean, if I were black I might feel just a tad uncomfortable with it...
nancymeadows242 t1_ixytfkl wrote
It was necessary to make the police feel warm and fuzzy
nancymeadows242 t1_ixytgc4 wrote
Or a dog
vc1914 t1_ixyvp05 wrote
I used to see them roam GSP years ago when I was working there. It’s was not a common thing but they patrolled from time to time with long rifles.
outcome--independent t1_ixyywnr wrote
outcome--independent t1_ixyz1r8 wrote
outcome--independent t1_ixyz72d wrote
Heavily armed police? For shopping? Third world country.
outcome--independent t1_ixyzel2 wrote
By law enforcement agencies? Can it? I don't think so, pretty sure it's just for marketing and data capture by the manufacturer.
BigJohn662 t1_ixyzfyg wrote
I do feel safer seeing armed officers in malls and the gsp, but It saddens me that is going to be the norm given all the problems our country faces today. No where is safe nowadays.
outcome--independent t1_ixyzgl5 wrote
financialanon t1_ixz0st2 wrote
Funny how these good guys with guns are everywhere when there is no danger. Never around when shooters start firing.
deereverie t1_ixz1007 wrote
A lot of people sadly means that there's a greater chance of an active shooter
h0w13 t1_ixz16oi wrote
Until there's a subpoena or a warrant
Comfortable_Monk7372 t1_ixz2mzy wrote
I’m glad that someone is monitoring me(us) in a mall. Not sure how much of a deterrent this would be for a deranged gunman.
d0mini0nicco t1_ixz5sef wrote
Thank you. I’m at negative sleep with a congested and hungry newborn. Words are difficult at this stage.
showusyourbones t1_ixz92q7 wrote
you should go lick their boots to show your appreciation
jEsTsBaCk t1_ixzbcxs wrote
What does that have to do with them? Lol so you would rather not have them, still knowing we need them? I don’t get your rationale..
jEsTsBaCk t1_ixzbri5 wrote
Then by all means.. stay home.
Fryceratops t1_ixzbyso wrote
Having armed people around is inherently less safe. I get why it is needed but I wish it was not.
jEsTsBaCk t1_ixzd62s wrote
That’s a relative feeling. I don’t feel the same.
Fryceratops t1_ixze3qg wrote
Part of that is an objectively factual statement as having armed people around is inherently less safe than having no armed people at all.
guacamole579 t1_ixzev17 wrote
There have been a lot of robberies and attempted abductions at BTC in recent years so I can see mall management hiring police to patrol the area during heightened shopping times. Its a really popular mall for parents with young kids and people do not feel safe. The close proximity to rt4 makes it an easy target-Unless you get stuck in traffic. Lol Same situation with GSP.
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jEsTsBaCk t1_ixzhfda wrote
I don’t see facts, i just see opinions.
Educational_Paint987 t1_ixzi3ii wrote
I think they are reacting to recent news of shootings in malls / walmarts. They did same with schools last time there was a school shooting. Not as obvious as this but they had patrols there all day long over a couple of days.
I think its commendable.
Fryceratops t1_ixzjh7a wrote
Do you not understand how having no one with weapons around is safer than having some people with weapons around? Are you thinking "What would happen if someone showed up with a gun?" because if it isn't clear that would change the situation from no one having weapons to some having weapons.
Thus the claim that no one having weapons is inherently safer than some people having weapons is a logically valid statement that is also objectively true.
jEsTsBaCk t1_ixzjrup wrote
We are right back in the beginning. You have no facts to back up your opinion.
Fryceratops t1_ixzkvrv wrote
Ok explain how having armed people around is safer than not having anyone be armed. Keep in mind if you are talking about the people needing to respond to other armed people you have completely changed the circumstances.
love2Vax t1_ixzl38e wrote
They showed up while a shooter was active in Uvalde. But then they just stood around while kids continued to get shot.
DelayedContours OP t1_ixzm6yo wrote
He's pretty much saying it's a sign you are in a potentially unsafe area. In Europe they don't have people with machine guns guarding groceries and t-shirts lol. Honestly reminds me of when I was in Nigeria.
DelayedContours OP t1_ixzmgw1 wrote
No when I went to Nigeria it was common to have police with AKs at certain venues. Honestly it seemed like AKs where standard issue there.
Btdrnks2021 t1_ixzmi18 wrote
Those “developing” countries probably have less violence.
love2Vax t1_ixzmv9x wrote
Summer of 2019 I went up to Alaska for a family vacation. Just north of Anchorage, we dropped into a small shopping center with a JoAnns fabric store. There was a security guard in full police tactical gear with a rifle inside the store. It did not make us comfortable thinking about why they would want that level of armorment in a store that sells sewing machines and craft stuff. After leaving we, searched maps and found it was really close to an impoverished trailer park.
srddave t1_ixzn46x wrote
Oh man you are talking about the Northway Mall I think. It’s a pretty notorious mall. I just watched a dead mall video on it last week.
srddave t1_ixznaqd wrote
Nah. I have friends from Honduras and El Salvador and those places have MUCH higher levels of violence than the US.
Btdrnks2021 t1_ixznd3t wrote
Depends on the type of violence.
srddave t1_ixznebq wrote
Oh interesting! Thanks for that. I always feel safe there…so interesting to hear that.
idkinfo t1_ixzo185 wrote
Good point. My assumption was incorrect third world countries can differ in experiences small markets vs large cities or how the local governments provide security weapons of this size are normal some security guards at condos and etc.
jonbagnato t1_ixzodft wrote
It’s simply cause effect higher escalation of force (crime) higher the response of enforcement.
No state is paying these people over time or paying for extra “enforcement” if there wasn’t a tangible “need”
NJ is a Democratic stronghold with a governor that will eventually become a presidential candidate, I doubt he wants pictures like this circulating but equally he doesn’t want his state to fall to complete trash like New York or California.
NYC and Cali have the highest concentration of rich people (roughly 160 billionaires live in CA and 125 or so live in NYC) these are the two highest depots of billionaires globally, NJ doesn’t rank that high- but the power in NJ is substantial.
FBI/CIA run operations regularly. All up and down the GSP, their are more known terrorists in NJ than any other state, (Monmouth county being a stronghold)
Regardless of all this NJ remains a fairly safe state. We pay for it tho a lot. But seeing armed “law enforcement” or the future “corporate soldier’s (paid security by large corporations that can afford armed guards)”
We hope in any case of an “active shooter” we hope that we have the appropriate response to protect anyone that could be in danger.
And lastly maybe there’s something going on that none of us have any remote idea about yet we snap a photo like this and people speculate.
So speculate knowing only so much that we will Probably never really “know”
retardranchhand t1_ixzordo wrote
Yes, pretty much everything. Think agencies like CIA NSA because they will do whatever they can without you knowing.
Aggressive-Rain t1_ixzqbrp wrote
also saw this in paramus park mall yesterday
Web_Sleuth47 t1_ixzql8z wrote
I think its because of the increased threat to stores for robberies and just plain craziness. I don’t mind them at all especially @GSP where theres constantly something going on with kids hanging out by AMC.
xAdzyy t1_ixzqvxa wrote
Bro everyone is born with arms
jEsTsBaCk t1_ixzsu1q wrote
I’m not the one saying it’s factual. I’m the one saying it’s relative. It’s over. Stop clown
discreetburneracc t1_ixzw43j wrote
Yeah, because kids hanging out near a movie theater requires lethal force
Web_Sleuth47 t1_ixzxp2f wrote
If it keeps these kids from destroying properties and hurting innocent mall shoppers & patrons then so be it. These thugs do not belong to places where families are simply trying to go about their lives and enjoying time.
discreetburneracc t1_ixzxx8a wrote
Your first comment said “kids” and now this comment says “thugs.” So which is it? Are these children hanging out or thugs assaulting random shoppers? Or do you just not like the way the kids look? Like what is the real issue you’re even talking about because I haven’t heard about any shoppers being assaulted by children at the mall.
Fryceratops t1_ixzy2pu wrote
But it is. It's like you can't drown if there is no water around. No arms means everyone is safer.
As you are the one making an illogical argument maybe we can avoid being uncivil.
rainofshambala t1_iy01f92 wrote
Until you get suspected and shot at or get caught in badly aimed crossfire
outcome--independent t1_iy03lb6 wrote
MyLilPwny24 t1_iy052aw wrote
Shocking the amount of people with no Law enforcement background commenting on what is "normal" or "excessive" for the police to carry and why. Most NJ departments switched from shotguns in the cars to patrol rifles to deal with criminals using rifles. Not "assault rifles", ANY rifles. Handguns are much more difficult to hit their target at a distance and police need to be able to engage at a distance if need be. It's the same reason we now block streets during live events and street fairs with the Town's garbage trucks, buses etc. In case some POS wants to drive through another Christmas parade. Departments have to adapt to combat what criminals might or may do in any given situation.
OnlyRogueSquirrels t1_iy05qsv wrote
This is a normal counterterrorism deployment to the Bergen County malls for the holiday season. These rapid deployment teams have existed for many years and are part of New Jersey’s Urban Area Security Initiative (UASI), a homeland security program.
From 2018: https://theridgewoodblog.net/bergen-rapid-deployment-team-worked-the-malls-this-past-weekend/
Boogiepop_Homunculus t1_iy06j8z wrote
I don't often go shopping on Black Friday weekend so I can't say how normal it is. But given the recent news, I thought "oh that must be why." That's just what life is in America. Kids will ride around on those animal things. People lining up for sneakers. It is what it is.
necronomnomnom t1_iy0ai5g wrote
There was probably an armed and dangerous criminal who had already been caught and detained by unarmed civilians a few hours ago and they just got the o.k. that it was safe to go in.
OnlySkunk_com t1_iy0cqet wrote
Whaaaat that’s wild
chungusscru t1_iy0fjjh wrote
In my home country all the major malls and hotels have this. Violence is not common but over a decade a go there was attacks on some hotels and tourism took a hit. Since then security was upped and nothing has happened since.
benjimyboy t1_iy0fo1x wrote
NJ is a blue state. I thought Democrats defunded the police lol.
srddave t1_iy0g5vj wrote
I have worked all around the world and I have only seen police with rifles like this in hotels in the developing world (where they are very common). What is your home country?
NYKallDay123 t1_iy0ieez wrote
At first I was put off by this when I saw them in GSP yesterday, but with the multiple mass shootings just in the past few days this is necessary until real change can be made.
chungusscru t1_iy0ly0p wrote
Jordan its for sure a devoliping country some parts are very modern while other parts not so much. I think because its so normaized it doesnt make as worried (plus its pretty close to some natiobs at war) but seeing armed guards at tge malls here honestly worries me a tad.
lov3street_ t1_iy0rtp1 wrote
I saw that!!! It was on Saturday
Web_Sleuth47 t1_iy0sxr6 wrote
Kids that act like thugs. No I love kids that are respectful and knows how to have clean fun. I am pretty sure it does not take much to differentiate between the two groups of kids!
Intelligent_Ear_4004 t1_iy0x89y wrote
If people would only do some research. Even at the federal level - the Biden admin throws more money at cops than trumps admin. But don’t tell Fox News.
discreetburneracc t1_iy1klid wrote
So they’re not assaulting people, you just don’t like them. Got it
benjimyboy t1_iy1liaq wrote
Yep. Must be too busy researching COVID conspiracies
Web_Sleuth47 t1_iy1nslw wrote
Anyone really likes thugs? And there have been assaults.
Boogiepop_Homunculus t1_ixwdryp wrote
They were there yesterday. I assumed cause it was super busy.